Do we need "Vocaloid" (&c) as a qualifier?

Related: topic #26347 topic #21922 forum #216584 topic #16874 probably others

IDK, it just feels unnecessary to have qualifiers like "vocaloid" "utau" "synthesizer v". If people want art related to Vocaloid, there's already a copytag for that. Also chartags for specific virtual singers. (I'd also argue that other times, the Vocaloid copytag feels stupid, especially since well you can't see the vocaloid and it's much more common nowadays for song creators to put original characters in the PVs instead of ones based on virtual synths).

forum #216584 claims the reason we have (vocaloid) as a qualifier is because it would otherwise be ambiguous (rather than for wildcard searches like the forum was trying to use it for). But is Rolling Girl (vocaloid) or Aku no Musume (vocaloid) really that ambiguous? And if it is ambiguous, why couldn't we qualify it with the producer name instead (since there are definitely cases of multiple vocaloid songs by different producers with the same name)? Not to mention songs that were originally vocaloid but kind of grew into their own franchises/began being covered by human singers instead like Kagerou Project (kagerou project) and Chuubyou Gekihatsu Boy(s) (originally a Kagamine Len song that is now its own thing with a light novel series and anime adaptation).

Main reason to not do this is uhhh well we got 93 pages of copytags with the vocaloid qualifier and that's exhausting.

This is probably a bit rambley and nonsensical but at least wanted to get a conversation going. Previous conversations seem to have stalled out based on a lack of consensus as to what to qualify the copytags with instead, but my opinion is that half the time they don't need a qualifier in the first place.

what about stuff like fire flower? or gemini? hell, even melt.

for these older songs ... in the west, at least, producers weren't known as well as they are now. scrolling through my vocaloid playlist, the majority of these videos are solely credited with the vocaloid's name and nothing else. if the tag was called fire flower (halyosy) i would have no idea what that was.
there also comes the issue with collaborations, like echo. would that be echo (crusher-p and circus-p)?

i think once we get into the other vocal synth programs it gets a little silly, but it's a necessary evil.

Fair enough (though I think that's something we could stand to change as a fandom), but again--what else would something like Nemurase Hime kara no Okurimono (vocaloid) even be confused with? Think these less-ambiguous ones could lose the qualifier altogether.

Will say we already run into the exact same problem with the virtual synth program qualifier as well. Who decides that Mesmerizer gets qualified with Vocaloid and not Synthesizer V? Why not both? It's a duet, they're both featured an equal amount. (Not to mention the period of time Miku songs might've actually technically been "piapro studio" songs instead of vocaloid ones...)

BUR #36672 is pending approval.

create alias aku_no_musume_(vocaloid) -> aku_no_musume
create alias aku_no_meshitsukai_(vocaloid) -> aku_no_meshitsukai
create alias akujiki_musume_conchita_(vocaloid) -> akujiki_musume_conchita
create alias enbizaka_no_shitateya_(vocaloid) -> enbizaka_no_shitateya
create alias venomania_kou_no_kyouki_(vocaloid) -> venomania-kou_no_kyouki
create alias nemurase_hime_kara_no_okurimono_(vocaloid) -> nemurase-hime_kara_no_okurimono
create alias gobanme_no_pierrot_(vocaloid) -> gobanme_no_pierrot
create alias akutoku_no_judgement_(vocaloid) -> akutoku_no_judgement
create alias nemesis_no_juukou_(vocaloid) -> nemesis_no_juukou

Aight. Money where my mouth is. Aliasing away the vocaloid qualifiers for the main songs from Mothy's Aku no Daizai series, all of which I would consider unambiguous in name. Considering it a trial run for this whole concept (cuz i know from personal experience it's a lot easier to slap an upvote/downvote/meh button then to actually write up a response to most of these forums). also fixing the honorifics for venomania and nemurase-hime while I'm at it.