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Cleft_of_venus Gelbooru import

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Putting them in a favgroup is more reasonable than what I thought you were suggesting in topic #29704, but I still don't see why you couldn't have added cleft_of_venus to many of these posts yourself. Putting them in a favgroup takes about the same amount of effort as adding the tag while adding an extra step to the whole process. I would've just put the ones you were unsure of in the favgroup.

I still believe this should be done manually. To make it easier for other users to check these, I'll tag the obvious ones. No need to remove them from the favgroup (which only you can do anyway); other users can find the untagged ones with favgroup:38809 -cleft_of_venus.

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strong hand

Blank_User said:

Putting them in a favgroup is more reasonable than what I thought you were suggesting in topic #29704, but I still don't see why you couldn't have added cleft_of_venus to many of these posts yourself. Putting them in a favgroup takes about the same amount of effort as adding the tag while adding an extra step to the whole process. I would've just put the ones you were unsure of in the favgroup.

I still believe this should be done manually. To make it easier for other users to check these, I'll tag the obvious ones. No need to remove them from the favgroup (which only you can do anyway); other users can find the untagged ones with favgroup:38809 -cleft_of_venus.

I could have done that and, in fact, that's what I started doing initially, but then realized that I probably shouldn't go around tagging thousands of posts like that without asking for a second opinion. I suppose I could've done what you suggest, but taking the time to think "how sure am I that this fits the tag definition" with each post honestly sounds really tiresome.

I didn't think about the favgroup editing thing, shit. I guess I should've put them in a pool instead, but I'm not sure how well that would go with people here?

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Blank User

strong_hand said:

I could have done that and, in fact, that's what I started doing initially, but then realized that I probably shouldn't go around tagging thousands of posts like that without asking for a second opinion. I suppose I could've done what you suggest, but taking the time to think "how sure am I that this fits the tag definition" with each post honestly sounds really tiresome.

Do you have any examples of ones you're not sure of? The requirements for cleft of venus seem pretty simple to me.

I didn't think about the favgroup editing thing, shit. I guess I should've put them in a pool instead, but I'm not sure how well that would go with people here?

We're not allowed to use pools for that. Unlike favgroups, there are limits for what we can put in them, and a bad pool would just be deleted. Favgroups aren't really intended for this either, but we sometimes use them for BURs because we can put whatever we want in them.

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strong hand

Blank_User said:

Do you have any examples of ones you're not sure of? The requirements for cleft of venus seem pretty simple to me.

It mostly has to do with the size (post #2425100, post #2423662, post #2323276, post #2283218, post #2158565, post #2155365) and/or visibility, e.g. due to censoring (post #2336434, post #2307599, post #2147295, post #2050423).

We're not allowed to use pools for that. Unlike favgroups, there are limits for what we can put in them, and a bad pool would just be deleted. Favgroups aren't really intended for this either, but we sometimes use them for BURs because we can put whatever we want in them.

Well, you could always use it temporarily and then delete it, but I guess people might get pissy about it.

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DDFLYo

strong_hand said:

It mostly has to do with the size (post #2425100, post #2423662, post #2323276, post #2283218, post #2158565, post #2155365) and/or visibility, e.g. due to censoring (post #2336434, post #2307599, post #2147295, post #2050423).

To see if there's precedent for these being tagged, I went through some of the current Cleft of Venus posts. For the size aspect, I saw a decent number of posts with similar visibility. A few examples being post #8721941, post #8744827, and post #6573095. I think posts with this aspect is acceptable to tag given how common this is, although I'm open to objections there.

There is also some precedent for posts with a similar degree of censoring where it makes the actual feature barely visible (if at all) like post #2954697, post #8442073, and post #8098797. These posts I'm more on the side of not tagging them as well as removing the posts that go too hard with the censoring, since they can be more easily recognized as outliers and don't feature the cleft enough. This is mostly just mosaic censors, and most of those posts still have the cleft at a recognizable level of visibility.

As for the examples strong hand posted, the only one I'm certain should not be tagged is post #2307599. The rest of the censored examples are muddy waters, but the small size examples would all be tagged.

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DDFLYo

Blank_User said:

Why wouldn’t you tag post #2307599? It’s more visible than in the small size examples you say should be tagged.

To me that one doesn't even look like it features the cleft while the other ones just feature it in a small capacity. So if I were to search for posts specifically with a cleft of venus, that post doesn't seem like it'd belong compared to the others. The small size examples would be tagged just based off consistency, but I still wouldn't necessarily disagree that they shouldn't be since they're arguably not prominent enough. If that were the case it would also mean we would retroactively remove the tag from some of the existing posts, especially post #8744827 considering how small that one is.

I'm aware of how much effort would have to go into cleaning up a tag with 27k posts, and that's why i felt the need to bring that up. I think we're better off letting those posts in for consistency. The censored ones have more room for debate, partly because of this.

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