Donmai

Dungeon and Fighter Character Updates

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BUR #34863 has been rejected.

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rename slayer_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_slayer_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication battle_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication enchantress_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication witch_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication elementalist_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication summoner_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication battle_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication enchantress_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication witch_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication elementalist_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication summoner_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
nuke mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
nuke fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename ranger_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_ranger_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename mechanic_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_mechanic_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename launcher_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_launcher_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename spitfire_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_ranger_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename gunner_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_gunner_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication paramedic_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_gunner_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename crusader_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_crusader_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename agent_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> secret_agent_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename gunblader_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> agent_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename skirmisher -> skirmisher_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename impaler -> impaler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication muse_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> archer_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication vigilante_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> archer_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication hunter_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> archer_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication traveler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> archer_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication chimera_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> archer_(dungeon_and_fighter)

Hopefully to clear up any mistagging surrounding this game in the future. I understand that it's a lot of changes, I can break it down into smaller requests if necessary. This is also my first time* making such a request, so please let me know if I need to make further adjustments.

Character List Reference
Reference for Chimera, the new Archer subclass that was just announced in Korea
Reference for Paramedic, the new Female Gunner subclass that was also just announced in Korea

Proposed Changes

  • Rename Slayer to Male Slayer to avoid confusion with Female Slayer (Female Slayer tag already exists)
  • Unimply all Female Mages subclasses from Mage and instead to Female Mage
  • Nuke Mage tag as there already exists Male Mage and Female Mage tags
  • Rename Grappler to Male Grappler (Female Grappler already exists)
  • Rename Nen Master, Striker, and Brawler to have female_ prefix (Male versions are already tagged as such except for MNen who doesn't have any posts right now)
  • Imply Male and Female Fighter subclasses to the proper parent class tag
  • Nuke Fighter tag as there already exists Male Fighter and Female Fighter tags
  • Rename Ranger, Mechanic, Launcher, Spitfire to have male_ prefix (Female versions are already tagged as such)
  • Rename Gunner to be Male Gunner (Female Gunner already exists)
  • Rename Crusader to Male Crusader to distinguish between Male and Female Crusader
  • Rename "Agent" to "Secret Agent" (Currently Agent is referring to Secret Agent, the subclass)
  • Rename "Gunblader" to "Agent" (Localized parent class name is Agent)
  • Add implications for Archer subclasses (Traveler, Muse, Vigilante, Hunter, and Chimera)

Will be updating wikis for these as well.
Regarding the Mage and Fighter tags, I'm not sure if it's a better idea to imply the Male/Female tag to the generic tag or nuke the generic tag as a whole.

Also, to avoid any issues with people being unable to search DNF Duel characters, we could add:
alias crusader_(dnf_duel) -> male_crusader_(dungeon_and_fighter)
alias striker_(dnf_duel) -> female_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter)
alias grappler_(dnf_duel) -> male_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
alias brawler_(dnf_duel) -> male_brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
alias ranger_(dnf_duel) -> male_ranger_(dungeon_and_fighter)
alias nen_master_(dnf_duel) -> female_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter)

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These should definitely be broken up into smaller pieces, such as by character.

It's hard to individually verify and vote on each and every single line of a massive BUR like this: one small error or disagreement can tank the entire thing instead of finding some parts acceptable and others not so much. It's far easier to get many small and accurate BURs to be verified and pass if they look good to go than it is to review a hulking mass when there are many more BURs waiting for admin approval.

Same goes with voting, especially when proposing a new way of tagging rather than being a slam dunk (i.e. an obvious alias/implication/etc): it means voters, if they don't want to be mindlessly pressing a vote option, have to read every line to make sure they all look good to give it an upvote. A small issue could lead to a disagreement with the entire set.

BUR #34914 is pending approval.

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remove implication battle_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication enchantress_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication witch_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication elementalist_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication summoner_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication battle_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication enchantress_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication witch_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication elementalist_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication summoner_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)
nuke mage_(dungeon_and_fighter)

"Mage" being too generic when there exists both Male and Female Mage.
Most if not all Mage posts are Female Mage (wiki also describes FMage) but it's over the 200 post limit to rename.

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BUR #34928 is pending approval.

remove implication grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication male_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> male_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)

Grappler despite intending to be labeling the Female Grappler, is mostly used to tag Male Grappler. Female Grappler exists as a tag so the current Grappler tag should be renamed to Male Grappler.
Also implicating the other 3 Male Fighter subclasses to the parent class.

BUR #34929 is pending approval.

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remove implication brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
remove implication striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter)
rename brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_striker_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_grappler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_brawler_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
create implication female_nen_master_(dungeon_and_fighter) -> female_fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)
nuke fighter_(dungeon_and_fighter)

Currently the generic Brawler, Nen Master, and Striker is mostly used for the Female Variants. Renaming and moving implications to Female Fighter for better clarity. Female Grappler already has her own tag.

Similar to the Mages, the generic Fighter tag should be removed to distinguish between Male and Female. Most if not all DnF players denotes the gender first when mentioning a class ("fnen", "fmage", "mmage", "mpriest/saint", "fpriest/seraph", etc.).

This should be the last of it for now. Apologies for the large quantity of BURs! I wanted to correct the tags for this game since there are new spinoffs announced and because of the lack of clarity with the current tags.

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