Unapproving

I was expecting there would be a thread for members to report stuff apparently wrongly approved, since they can't use the unapprove feature.
So, are we invited to make occasional reports then or just ignore? :|

forum #12247 is what you want.

Edit:
Disregard, I can't read.

Actually, he's asking for the opposite. An approval appeal thread if you will rather than deletion appeal.

Honestly though, is there a reason we are blocking flagging from regular members? I thought flagging was specifically intended to allow for community driven moderation, which then gets double checked by the mod team.

Shinjidude said:
Honestly though, is there a reason we are blocking flagging from regular members? I thought flagging was specifically intended to allow for community driven moderation, which then gets double checked by the mod team.

To curb the possibility of someone filled with nerd-rage going on a wanton unapproving spree with reckless abandon?

I suppose, but measures such as requiring meaningful reasons or providing the flagger's name to the mod community, as we've discussed elsewhere, would do much to address that without completely cutting the system off entirely to the largest part of the community.

Failing that, it would be easy to block regular users to only so many flags per hour, as has been done with comment voting. That would make it very difficult for any one user from causing any meaningful harm.

If a user wanted to try to get around this by creating a million sock puppets, we could just put new accounts into a probationary period for some amount of time before they can undertake harmful actions.

Sockpuppets could also be addressed by having a sentinel script that raises a red flag if one IP address is responsible for an unusually large number of account creations.

Anyway, I think having the flagging system open and working the way it is meant to (integrated with the mod queue and functions) is preferable to introducing another ad-hoc forum thread.

If we keep going that route, we'll end up with so many stickies and continuously running utility threads that anything novel will get pushed off the first page almost immediately.

If there is some particular reason a post should be deleted, I'd suggest leaving a comment to that effect and let someone else flag it.

zatchii said:
If there is some particular reason a post should be deleted, I'd suggest leaving a comment to that effect and let someone else flag it.

What about when something clearly violates the uploading rules yet gets approved anyway, even after being unapproved?

For example, post #574960 violates the "breasts can't be more than twice the size of the character's head" rule yet it's been approved twice in one day.

That reminds me, can something be approved by the same person twice (ie. once from moderation queue and once after being sent back)? IIRC, that wasn't supposed to be the case.

I'm pretty sure nothing but good sense is keeping that from being the case. I would hope that people on the moderation team would be mature enough not to wage an edit war without discussion first.

If someone unapproves one of your approved posts, it's probably smart to step back and let someone else decide. Failing that, in the case that you are certain the post is approvable, at least broach the topic in the comments or in the forum before reverting it again.

Relatedly, how is the approver set in the case of a flagged post that gets re-approved? Does it stay with the original approver, or does it get changed to the new one?

Shinjidude said:
Relatedly, how is the approver set in the case of a flagged post that gets re-approved? Does it stay with the original approver, or does it get changed to the new one?

Judging from the awesome experience with post #574061, it changes to the new one.

Shinjidude said:
Failing that, it would be easy to block regular users to only so many flags per hour, as has been done with comment voting. That would make it very difficult for any one user from causing any meaningful harm.

Supporting that.

I don't think I would even been using it that much anyway. I've just strongly felt the urge wheen seeing post #574839.

zatchii said:

If there is some particular reason a post should be deleted, I'd suggest leaving a comment to that effect and let someone else flag it.

My experience of the past months is that commenting has almost lost its role as a means of developing the board.

With some luck, a comment about the content of an image might bring about some quality fandom discussion. But tagging help, mod attention, etc... Hardly ever.

zatchii said:
If there is some particular reason a post should be deleted, I'd suggest leaving a comment to that effect and let someone else flag it.

Comments just move too damn fast for them to be usable anymore. Back in the day they could be used as moderation and information portals when the first page of comments when back hours but when the first page of comments only extends back in time 15 minutes it's impossible to follow.

Shinjidude said:
Failing that, it would be easy to block regular users to only so many flags per hour, as has been done with comment voting. That would make it very difficult for any one user from causing any meaningful harm.

I swore this was already the case and it's kind of odd that it's not.

Shinjidude said:
Relatedly, how is the approver set in the case of a flagged post that gets re-approved? Does it stay with the original approver, or does it get changed to the new one?

Regarding that, I noticed that no approver shows up for posts that are undeleted. Also, how about making deleters visible as well?

If we do anything regarding deleters, it should be visible to only the same level as that of flaggers for the same reasons. I think the consensus there is to show to the moderation people only.

If it's only for moderators, though I'm not sure what the use would be. Deletions are pretty rare, and almost always to ToS violations rather than borderline posts as flags often are. They are also only possible on behalf of moderators in the first place, so you don't have the same issue of general members abusing the system.

Muey said:
Judging from the awesome experience with post #574061, it changes to the new one.

Oh that got saved from the mod queue again? I just sort of have to laugh at this point. I guess the giant debate it spawned is reason enough to keep it now.

recklessfirex said:
To curb the possibility of someone filled with nerd-rage going on a wanton unapproving spree with reckless abandon?

But we've already had that considered and decided to award unapprovals to all users. I don't see anything having changed since then.

Shinjidude said:
I suppose, but measures such as requiring meaningful reasons or providing the flagger's name to the mod community, as we've discussed elsewhere, would do much to address that without completely cutting the system off entirely to the largest part of the community.

I suppose that makes sense, if not enough posts are getting flagged currently. Still, if someone does flag a lot of posts without a good reason, what are you gonna do? Even if you just reapprove them all, there's still damage done, because then they'll be immune to being flagged again for a valid reason.

I actually briefly considered the idea of an deletion request thread after a lot of posts I flagged for artifacts/bad artwork got reapproved. Though in the end I decided to take it as an indication of my own poor judgement, and stopped flagging posts for unapproval.

Failing that, it would be easy to block regular users to only so many flags per hour, as has been done with comment voting. That would make it very difficult for any one user from causing any meaningful harm.

I believe users at privileged and below can currently flag no more than 10 posts a day.

Log said:
Comments just move too damn fast for them to be usable anymore. Back in the day they could be used as moderation and information portals when the first page of comments when back hours but when the first page of comments only extends back in time 15 minutes it's impossible to follow.

Well you're probably right, it's been a while since I tried to keep track of the comments page. Still, even if no single person follows all the comments, I expect any comment made will be seen by *someone*.

Cyberia-Mix said:
I don't think I would even been using it that much anyway. I've just strongly felt the urge wheen seeing post #574839.

Yes, I see what you mean. I'll flag that for you.

All of yamato_suzuran gif should be flagged and deleted, yet its all reapproved after unapprovals.

Why would you want to delete post #23315?

zatchii said:
I actually briefly considered the idea of an deletion request thread after a lot of posts I flagged for artifacts/bad artwork got reapproved. Though in the end I decided to take it as an indication of my own poor judgement, and stopped flagging posts for unapproval.

I'd rather you kept flagging things. There's way too many cases where things get reapproved where they really shouldn't, that's worrisome. Especially since some contributors (*cough*Mr_GT, Herrmobel*cough*) like to slip in a little bit of horrible amongst their massive uploads, presumably to keep us on our toes.

Log said:

Comments just move too damn fast for them to be usable anymore. Back in the day they could be used as moderation and information portals when the first page of comments when [sic!] back hours but when the first page of comments only extends back in time 15 minutes it's impossible to follow.

Being that the situation has changed so radically, should the following point of the tagging guidelines (emphasis mine) be rewritten? Time for a new thread discussing the policy, maybe?

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