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Content of FFVII Rebirth tag

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What should the content of the final_fantasy_vii_rebirth tag be? It doesn't seem to be focused at the moment.

I'd like to know what other people think.

Tagging @kars41, @cp456, @pacifica since they upload often on the tag.

What I would expect if I check the FFVII Rebirth tag are scenes / characters / outfits / actions that relate to Rebirth, and are not possible to associate with Remake. There are degrees of situations, from obviously Rebirth, to obviously NOT Rebirth, and then all the ambiguity in-between. My point of view is that the fanart should speak for itself. The tags should describe what is in the art (there could be exceptions). The commentary of the artist, like a #FFVIIRebirth tag on X, shouldn't matter when it comes to tagging. Some examples.

1. Obvious FFVII Rebirth (always has a FFVII Rebirth tag):
- FFVII Rebirth-exclusive outfits such as tifa_lockhart_(shining_spirit)
- Characters debuting in FFVII Rebirth (such as Elena from the Turks)
- Upgraded FFVII Rebirth outfits like Chadley's (or Yuffie's).

2. Obvious FFVII Remake (never has a FFVII Rebirth tag):
- FFVII Remake-exclusive outfits such as tifa_lockhart_(refined_dress)

3. My perspective (Rebirth):
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167099 <-- it has the party with 1) Cait Sith, but asides from that, the party is together. In Remake the party that met up was Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Barret, Red XIII. So even though Yuffie is introduced in the Remake DLC, 2) Yuffie only meets up with them in Rebirth. And 3) Aerith is with her hair down. In Remake, she's not once with her hair down. In Rebirth she is.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8166855 <-- 1) character from FFVII Rebirth (7th infantry commander), 2) referencing scenes/frames from Rebirth, 3) FFVII Rebirth-exclusive outfit and hairstyle aerith_gainsborough_(white_floral_dress)
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8165975 <- Galian Beast Vincent introduced in Rebirth.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8163020 <- Seems to have blood on Sephiroth's sword alluding to that event.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8162408 <- Barret / Yuffie met in Rebirth + Yuffie's Rebirth outfit (her Remake outfit is distinctly different).
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7405405 <- Referencing Aerith's pout (an action) in Rebirth.

4. My perspective (not Rebirth):
- Non-descript regular fanart that has no hint of FFVII Rebirth should not have the tag.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167099 <- Cloud in his regular SOLDIER outfit. A blank/aloof expression. Not Rebirth-specific enough. If he had blood splatter on his face, then yes.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8163084 <- Cloud/Aerith in casual loungewear, holding her hip. Her hair is down but this is more of an "what-if they were a real couple living in Tokyo" scenario. Not Rebirth-specific enough.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8162432 <- This has Cloud, Rufus, Red XIII, Darkstar. All introduced in Remake. No Rebirth tag necessary.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161825 <- Generic Aerith in a yukata with her yellow lily motif. Not Rebirth-specific.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8157270 <- Generic Zerith. Never met in Rebirth. Just with random smiles.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161765 <- Future what-if Clerith parents. Nothing to do with Rebirth.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161554 <- Tifa in a cute original outfit, but nothing about it screams Rebirth.

5. Ambiguous:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167031 <-- This is an allusion to the Tifa/Cloud Lifestream scene, and while this event doesn't happen in Rebirth, I don't mind it being tagged with Rebirth (which has its own Lifestream scene). It's not the OG since Tifa is wearing her Remake outfit.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8043080 <-- This is hard because Aerith, Zack and the church all get introduced in Remake and they didn't meet in Rebirth. However, considering how many hope(d) they would meet at the end of Rebirth this seems like a wish fanart for Rebirth / part 3. I don't mind the Rebirth tag for this specific Zerith pic. Normally I'd say Remake.

1/2/3 should be clear. For 5s I'll leave it up to the tagger.

What about 4? If it's not Rebirth-specific enough it shouldn't be tagged with Rebirth. All Tifa fanart in her Remake outfit shouldn't be automatically tagged Remake and Rebirth. That outfit was introduced in Remake, so it should only be tagged with Rebirth if there are additional Rebirth signs (like her kissing Cloud in the gondola).

Thoughts?

DrLove said:

What should the content of the final_fantasy_vii_rebirth tag be? It doesn't seem to be focused at the moment.

I'd like to know what other people think.

Tagging @kars41, @cp456, @pacifica since they upload often on the tag.

What I would expect if I check the FFVII Rebirth tag are scenes / characters / outfits / actions that relate to Rebirth, and are not possible to associate with Remake. There are degrees of situations, from obviously Rebirth, to obviously NOT Rebirth, and then all the ambiguity in-between. My point of view is that the fanart should speak for itself. The tags should describe what is in the art (there could be exceptions). The commentary of the artist, like a #FFVIIRebirth tag on X, shouldn't matter when it comes to tagging. Some examples.

1. Obvious FFVII Rebirth (always has a FFVII Rebirth tag):
- FFVII Rebirth-exclusive outfits such as tifa_lockhart_(shining_spirit)
- Characters debuting in FFVII Rebirth (such as Elena from the Turks)
- Upgraded FFVII Rebirth outfits like Chadley's (or Yuffie's).

2. Obvious FFVII Remake (never has a FFVII Rebirth tag):
- FFVII Remake-exclusive outfits such as tifa_lockhart_(refined_dress)

3. My perspective (Rebirth):
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167099 <-- it has the party with 1) Cait Sith, but asides from that, the party is together. In Remake the party that met up was Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, Barret, Red XIII. So even though Yuffie is introduced in the Remake DLC, 2) Yuffie only meets up with them in Rebirth. And 3) Aerith is with her hair down. In Remake, she's not once with her hair down. In Rebirth she is.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8166855 <-- 1) character from FFVII Rebirth (7th infantry commander), 2) referencing scenes/frames from Rebirth, 3) FFVII Rebirth-exclusive outfit and hairstyle aerith_gainsborough_(white_floral_dress)
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8165975 <- Galian Beast Vincent introduced in Rebirth.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8163020 <- Seems to have blood on Sephiroth's sword alluding to that event.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8162408 <- Barret / Yuffie met in Rebirth + Yuffie's Rebirth outfit (her Remake outfit is distinctly different).
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/7405405 <- Referencing Aerith's pout (an action) in Rebirth.

4. My perspective (not Rebirth):
- Non-descript regular fanart that has no hint of FFVII Rebirth should not have the tag.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167099 <- Cloud in his regular SOLDIER outfit. A blank/aloof expression. Not Rebirth-specific enough. If he had blood splatter on his face, then yes.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8163084 <- Cloud/Aerith in casual loungewear, holding her hip. Her hair is down but this is more of an "what-if they were a real couple living in Tokyo" scenario. Not Rebirth-specific enough.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8162432 <- This has Cloud, Rufus, Red XIII, Darkstar. All introduced in Remake. No Rebirth tag necessary.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161825 <- Generic Aerith in a yukata with her yellow lily motif. Not Rebirth-specific.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8157270 <- Generic Zerith. Never met in Rebirth. Just with random smiles.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161765 <- Future what-if Clerith parents. Nothing to do with Rebirth.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8161554 <- Tifa in a cute original outfit, but nothing about it screams Rebirth.

5. Ambiguous:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8167031 <-- This is an allusion to the Tifa/Cloud Lifestream scene, and while this event doesn't happen in Rebirth, I don't mind it being tagged with Rebirth (which has its own Lifestream scene). It's not the OG since Tifa is wearing her Remake outfit.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/8043080 <-- This is hard because Aerith, Zack and the church all get introduced in Remake and they didn't meet in Rebirth. However, considering how many hope(d) they would meet at the end of Rebirth this seems like a wish fanart for Rebirth / part 3. I don't mind the Rebirth tag for this specific Zerith pic. Normally I'd say Remake.

1/2/3 should be clear. For 5s I'll leave it up to the tagger.

What about 4? If it's not Rebirth-specific enough it shouldn't be tagged with Rebirth. All Tifa fanart in her Remake outfit shouldn't be automatically tagged Remake and Rebirth. That outfit was introduced in Remake, so it should only be tagged with Rebirth if there are additional Rebirth signs (like her kissing Cloud in the gondola).

Thoughts?

I agree that it's complicated. In some cases I go by the date posted, as sometimes much older fanart gets tagged with Rebirth when it predates the game. With things like the casual loungewear fanart, I feel that the artist is basing the AU on their Rebirth selves (indeed that artist only began posting fanart after Rebirth came out). For the what-if parents scenario, it was based upon the Rebirth scene with the baby chocobo on Cloud's shoulder. I agree that clarity would be helpful as some art gets tagged with various compilation title tags in a way that is confusing to me, maybe so as to cover all bases? I think some fanart like the gang out in natural surroundings (visibly not Midgar or even Aerith's home garden) could be considered Rebirth as those characters weren't depicted in those settings until Rebirth. There's a lot of nuance so this discussion is valuable.

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