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Imply tokyo blade to oshi no ko

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BUR #30903 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication blade_(tokyo_blade) -> himekawa_taiki
create implication tsurugi_(tokyo_blade) -> arima_kana
create implication kizami_(tokyo_blade) -> narushima_melt
create implication sayahime_(tokyo_blade) -> kurokawa_akane
create implication touki_(tokyo_blade) -> hoshino_aquamarine
create implication monme_(tokyo_blade) -> kamoshida_sakuya

These names are for the characters played by the Tokyo Blade casts, they're effectively outfits.

The wiki says (taking a random example) "Played by Kamoshida Sakuya in the 2.5D stage adaptation.". This makes it sound like there are versions of this character that could differ. Is it just bad phrasing?

nonamethanks said:

The wiki says (taking a random example) "Played by Kamoshida Sakuya in the 2.5D stage adaptation.". This makes it sound like there are versions of this character that could differ. Is it just bad phrasing?

Hypothetically you could have a depiction of them based on the fictional manga's art as depicted in the anime of Oshi no Ko which can differ somewhat in appearance from the Oshi no Ko characters who played them. It's of course extremely doubtful the limited depictions of the fictional manga depictions of the characters will lead to any fanart that isn't of the Oshi no Ko characters dressed as them.

GreyOmega said:

Hypothetically you could have a depiction of them based on the fictional manga's art as depicted in the anime of Oshi no Ko which can differ somewhat in appearance from the Oshi no Ko characters who played them. It's of course extremely doubtful the limited depictions of the fictional manga depictions of the characters will lead to any fanart that isn't of the Oshi no Ko characters dressed as them.

Sounds similar to the case with the Sonic and the Black Knight characters, which we implicated to their counterparts.

Trouble_Windows said:

Sounds similar to the case with the Sonic and the Black Knight characters, which we implicated to their counterparts.

No, these characters aren't alter-egos, they're in-universe fictional characters that (I assume) have their own unique appearances. The in-universe manga is then adapted into an in-universe stage play by "real" people. So blade (tokyo blade) is himekawa taiki playing that character, but I'm wondering if we could realistically get art of the "original" manga character, not the person who acted in the stage play.

nonamethanks said:

No, these characters aren't alter-egos, they're in-universe fictional characters that (I assume) have their own unique appearances. The in-universe manga is then adapted into an in-universe stage play by "real" people. So blade (tokyo blade) is himekawa taiki playing that character, but I'm wondering if we could realistically get art of the "original" manga character, not the person who acted in the stage play.

This feels a bit similar to Rizu-kyun and Kuroe Shizuku.

I'm actually not sure how possible it is for them to be depicted in a way that's clearly not their actor. Just about every single aspect of their appearance (outfit, hair, eyes) changes, and every real appearance they get in the series is when they're being played by their actor.
I don't know if there are any other points brought up in discussion surrounding Rizu-kyun (as far as I understand the situations are quite similar), but both official and fan depictions treat the Tokyo Blade characters as "their actors while acting", not as separate characters, and current tagging reflects that already.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

I'm actually not sure how possible it is for them to be depicted in a way that's clearly not their actor. Just about every single aspect of their appearance (outfit, hair, eyes) changes, and every real appearance they get in the series is when they're being played by their actor.
I don't know if there are any other points brought up in discussion surrounding Rizu-kyun (as far as I understand the situations are quite similar), but both official and fan depictions treat the Tokyo Blade characters as "their actors while acting", not as separate characters, and current tagging reflects that already.

Are there no depictions of the manga itself?

nonamethanks said:

Are there no depictions of the manga itself?

I just pulled up the source manga (volumes 5 & 6) to confirm that there's indeed no meaningful depection of the manga itself. The closest it gets are some background filler-esque depictions that don't really depict much of a character: asset #23086164, asset #23086165, asset #23086166. There may be one or two more that I missed but there's less than 5 instances of this happening in volumes 5 and 6 combined.

All proper depictions of the characters are more like in asset #23086156, where they are directly linked to and explicitly being played by their actors (this includes in-universe promotional material for the stage play). This example is also the very first introduction of the characters at all, before that they were only mentioned by name.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

I just pulled up the source manga (volumes 5 & 6) to confirm that there's indeed no meaningful depection of the manga itself. The closest it gets are some background filler-esque depictions that don't really depict much of a character: asset #23086164, asset #23086165, asset #23086166. There may be one or two more that I missed but there's less than 5 instances of this happening in volumes 5 and 6 combined.

All proper depictions of the characters are more like in asset #23086156, where they are directly linked to and explicitly being played by their actors (this includes in-universe promotional material for the stage play). This example is also the very first introduction of the characters at all, before that they were only mentioned by name.

Well, given how unlikely the scenario looks, I guess we can worry about this when and if we ever get the kind of depictions that I mentioned.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

I just pulled up the source manga (volumes 5 & 6) to confirm that there's indeed no meaningful depection of the manga itself. The closest it gets are some background filler-esque depictions that don't really depict much of a character: asset #23086164, asset #23086165, asset #23086166. There may be one or two more that I missed but there's less than 5 instances of this happening in volumes 5 and 6 combined.

Unfortunately you've made a critical mistake. There may not be any meaningful depictions in the manga, but the anime greatly expanded on their depictions.

Blade
Tsurugi
Kizami
Monme
Touki
Sayahime
Group

nonamethanks said:

Do we want to undo the implication now? Or wait until/if we get fanart?

Can probably just wait if they get any fanart. I just wanted to voice that the manga in this case was a bad source in this very specific regard.

GreyOmega said:

Unfortunately you've made a critical mistake. There may not be any meaningful depictions in the manga, but the anime greatly expanded on their depictions.

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That's actually a good point I hadn't considered. I stil don't think this goes in that much of a different direction than the manga though. It's true that these are actual, "real" depictions of the in-universe in-manga characters. However, it's still only a few scenes, so I don't expect it to be much of an issue.

If there is one day art which specifically depics these manga depictions, maybe it's a better idea to create a tag for those depictions specifically (if we can tell it's the manga depiction, that means they're visually distinct right?), that way the usefulness of this implication can remain intact. This is not yet a problem that needs to be solved though.

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