Notable world Mikus

BUR #30508 has been rejected.

create implication peruvian_miku -> hatsune_miku

Please add BURs for any other notable designs.

BUR #30579 has been rejected.

create implication puerto_rican_miku -> hatsune_miku

Popular design.

If the tags exist they should be implied; so I'm assuming the downvotes are from people who believe they shouldn't exist.

They are very small sub 20 tags but multiple artists are drawing them. Do we have a post count threshold to where a character is "worthy" of a tag?

Brazilian Miku kicked off the whole trend so there's enough notoriety and volume in keeping it, but I'm wondering if the "lesser" countries could be filed under a single worldwide_miku tag or something instead of having hundreds of individual tags. It's not just countries; I've seen Texan and Nova Scotian Miku on Twitter as well.

Hillside_Moose said:

Brazilian Miku kicked off the whole trend so there's enough notoriety and volume in keeping it, but I'm wondering if the "lesser" countries could be filed under a single worldwide_miku tag or something instead of having hundreds of individual tags. It's not just countries; I've seen Texan and Nova Scotian Miku on Twitter as well.

That's my thoughts as well, we just have to convert pool #23198 to a tag which is something evazion has mentioned should be done.

Hillside_Moose said:

Brazilian Miku kicked off the whole trend so there's enough notoriety and volume in keeping it, but I'm wondering if the "lesser" countries could be filed under a single worldwide_miku tag or something instead of having hundreds of individual tags. It's not just countries; I've seen Texan and Nova Scotian Miku on Twitter as well.

Agreed, country/state/city + worldwide_miku is a better solution than tags for each fanmade character. Otherwise, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole with implications and deciding which region's mikus are popular enough to get their own tag.

If it's a unique design and it has more than one post, it should get a tag. This idea that a character needs a certain number of posts before it deserves a tag, or that it doesn't deserve a tag if it's not official, needs to die. If I'm looking at a picture of Puerto Rican Miku and there are more like it out there, don't make me jump through hoops to find them. Just make a tag so I can find them in one click.

Don't make me do something like worldwide_miku puerto_rico. A regular user is not going to be able to figure that out. Even as an experienced user, it takes time for me to figure out how to formulate the search, and typing in the tags is too much work to actually do. Without a tag you wouldn't even know to search for it, because you wouldn't know that multiple Puerto Rican Miku posts even exist. Half the point of a tag is to point out "there are more posts like this and you can find them by clicking here". The other half is so that you can write a wiki explaining the tag, so that five years from now when the meme is dead and forgotten, people know where the hell these characters came from.

evazion said:

If it's a unique design and it has more than one post, it should get a tag... If I'm looking at a picture of Puerto Rican Miku and there are more like it out there, don't make me jump through hoops to find them. Just make a tag so I can find them in one click.

I agree. Specific designs with multiple posts should be treated the same as an artist's OC. They deserve character tags and IMO should be qualified with the artist who created/popularized them. Puerto Rican Miku already has posts that aren't Brujita's design, post #8042377 and post #8054895. The tag isn't clear and would seem to apply to any Miku based on Puerto Rico, even though it's meant for one specific design.

evazion said:
Don't make me do something like worldwide_miku puerto_rico. A regular user is not going to be able to figure that out... Without a tag you wouldn't even know to search for it, because you wouldn't know that multiple Puerto Rican Miku posts even exist... The other half is so that you can write a wiki explaining the tag, so that five years from now when the meme is dead and forgotten, people know where the hell these characters came from.

For designs that are one-offs or less popular, you will still have to search country/state/city and either worldwide_miku or pool #23198. That or we're going to have a lot of single-post character tags (which is fine ig) and a lot of implications to do. There is a use case for such a search, finding designs that are part of the meme for a particular location. Take pool:23198 Poland for example. Multiple distinct designs based on one country. Should they all get character tags? (genuine question.) I think that wouldn't really solve anything. Worldwide Miku would have a wiki explaining the meme, maybe even a _(meme) qualifier, so people aren't lost.

We could have both a artist qualified tag like "Puerto Rican Miku (Brujita)" for the specific design and an overarching Puerto Rican Miku for all Mikus based on Puerto Rico, with the specific design aliased to the overarching country one? But that seems excessive to me.

BUR #30615 has been rejected.

create implication american_miku -> hatsune_miku

Popular design.
Has a wiki page.

I think these tags absolutely need to be qualified, I saw someone tag Jamaican Miku except there's actually two popular designs, Jamaican Miku (allimocha) and Jamaican Miku (zerotalkstomuch).

I have more art of them and other Jamaican Miku designs in my media assets.

Trouble_Windows said:

I think these tags absolutely need to be qualified, I saw someone tag Jamaican Miku except there's actually two popular designs, Jamaican Miku (allimocha) and Jamaican Miku (zerotalkstomuch).

I have more art of them and other Jamaican Miku designs in my media assets.

Yeah, this is the reason I was wary to support the existing tags.

I just tagged a whole bunch of regional Mikus and all of them were subsequently untagged, presumably because they didn't share the exact same design.

I'm going by Super Crown rules here. Not every Princess Chain Chomp shares the exact same design. We have post #3264703 post #3264717 post #7425803 post #7611470 and plenty of others. I for one love these character tags because it's interesting to see how different artist interpretations there can be of the same concept for different Mario enemies.

When the average schmoe thinks "Gee, I would love to see how many different interpretations of Guatemalan Miku there are. I am going to search Danbooru, as they are famous for being amazingly thorough at tagging things" they would understandably search for "guatemalan miku". Forcing users to wade through a pool is a royal pain in the ass, and it screws over any bots or users reposting to other Boorus as pools aren't going to transfer over.

evazion said:

Don't make me do something like worldwide_miku puerto_rico. A regular user is not going to be able to figure that out. Even as an experienced user, it takes time for me to figure out how to formulate the search, and typing in the tags is too much work to actually do. Without a tag you wouldn't even know to search for it, because you wouldn't know that multiple Puerto Rican Miku posts even exist. Half the point of a tag is to point out "there are more posts like this and you can find them by clicking here". The other half is so that you can write a wiki explaining the tag, so that five years from now when the meme is dead and forgotten, people know where the hell these characters came from.

This exactly.

EDIT: post #8074884 only has a single character tag despite there being 11 characters present. That is insanity if it's for the sake of being pedantic about designs.

I don't think Super Crown logic applies in this instance, and that's because of one important element, the trend that Brazilian Miku inspired. Bowsette's design has remained relatively consistent across fan depictions, as the trend she inspired of Super Crown princesses did not really apply to her, because she had a set base design. In contrast, even with Brazilian Miku having a base design, we have about a dozen or so posts under hatsune_miku brazil -brazilian_miku which ostensibly should not be under Brazilian Miku because they decided to follow in the trend she inspired of worldwide Mikus exploring different varieties across and beyond the world, posts which would be lost in the flood of posts inspired by post #8017744 in specific (especially if we remove the country tags on the Miku posts as a consequence of the proposed chartags), and that's not even considering the non-Mitsuko Brazilian Mikus that haven't been uploaded yet.

I still believe that Super Crown logic applies here. In the case of Bowsette, not every depiction adheres to ayyk92's original design, yet they all share the Bowsette tag:
post #3262374
post #3263383
post #3264003
post #3270324
post #3271318
post #3273143
post #3347265
post #3527515
post #3635293
post #4466793
post #5112841
post #7189536
post #7336464

This principle of grouping is based on concept rather than strict design consistency.

There are only a handful of images of Princess Thwomp on Danbooru, and none of them share a consistent design:
post #3267525
post #3268216
post #3277157
post #3281953
post #3371976
post #4358212
post #7741368

The lack of a fixed design actually makes it even more important that these characters share a common tag. This allows users to find them based on the concept rather than being forced to hunt down each individual interpretation.

When it comes to regional Hatsune Mikus, the same logic should apply. Even if there are multiple designs for, say, Guatemalan Miku, they should still share a common tag. This approach simplifies the search process and makes it more intuitive for users who are interested in exploring the concept rather than being bogged down by the specifics of each individual design.

Of course, if someone wants to create individual tags for specific designs, especially if they’re exceptionally popular, like "brazilian miku (erinartista)," that’s perfectly fine. However, having a general regional tag ensures that the content remains accessible to everyone, regardless of how familiar they are with the specific variations.

Damian0358 said:

In contrast, even with Brazilian Miku having a base design, we have about a dozen or so posts under hatsune_miku brazil -brazilian_miku which ostensibly should not be under Brazilian Miku because they decided to follow in the trend she inspired of worldwide Mikus exploring different varieties across and beyond the world, posts which would be lost in the flood of posts inspired by post #8017744 in specific (especially if we remove the country tags on the Miku posts as a consequence of the proposed chartags), and that's not even considering the non-Mitsuko Brazilian Mikus that haven't been uploaded yet.

Search query that immediately fixes this problem:

Search: brazilian_miku -brazilian_miku_(erinartista)

KalpacMuskoxen said:

Of course, if someone wants to create individual tags for specific designs, especially if they’re exceptionally popular, like "brazilian miku (erinartista)," that’s perfectly fine. However, having a general regional tag ensures that the content remains accessible to everyone, regardless of how familiar they are with the specific variations.

I would agree with something like this approach. Have a top level character tag for a country/regional miku, and then any specific designs that are used across multiple posts could have qualifiers for the artist they originated from and be implicated to the more general tag.

BUR #30711 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update pool #23198 -> worldwide_miku
create alias international_miku -> worldwide_miku
create alias global_miku -> worldwide_miku
create alias regional_miku -> worldwide_miku
create alias cultural_miku -> worldwide_miku
create alias every_country's_miku -> worldwide_miku

We all at least agree that the pool should be a tag, so this BUR would be for that. For practicality purposes, I think I'll draw from the precedent of multiple drawing challenge and similar tags, and not include (meme) as a qualifier. We seem to have settled on "Worldwide Miku" for the name in this discussion, so I'll set that as the main name, with utility aliases featuring synonyms, two of the common Twitter names, and how Know Your Meme is referring to this art trend. Anything that's not part of the recent trend that's in the pool can easily be gardened afterward.

I won't include a nuke in this request, since we could technically have both the tag and the pool. The pool can concentrate on just being about international Mikus that have been drawn even before this art trend, and the tag can be about the art trend (which has evolved at this point to include "everything"). That way we avoid having 2011 American Miku (post #984636) in the Worldwide Miku tag, and we avoid having all the recent prehistoric Hatsune_Mikus in the Mikus of the World pool. If people don't want that though, a nuke BUR is easy enough to make.

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This is not related to the agenda, but...
I found a great Miku illustration and I'll tell you about it!

https://x.com/zensenourami/status/1830973543892558257
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my country miku tags keep getting removed. is this why?

mikuworld said:

my country miku tags keep getting removed. is this why?

Yes, that’s likely the reason your tags keep getting removed.

Your experience highlights exactly why I've been arguing for more inclusive tagging of these country/regional Mikus. The average user (which includes most of us!) shouldn't have to jump through hoops or become experts in the minutiae of each design variation just to find content they're interested in.

The whole point of tags is to make content searchable. If someone wants to see Mikus inspired by different countries or cultures, they're naturally going to search for "[country] miku" - not dig through pools or try to figure out complex search queries.

Being overly strict about design consistency for these tags defeats the purpose of having them in the first place. It's frustrating for users like you who are just trying to engage with and explore this fun trend.

I still believe we should have general tags for regional Mikus (like "brazilian_miku", "puerto_rican_miku", etc.) that include all interpretations based on that country/region. If specific designs become very popular, we can always add more specific tags later (like "brazilian_miku_(artist)").

Your experience is a perfect example of why we need to prioritize user-friendliness and discoverability over pedantic distinctions that most users neither know about nor care about. Thanks for sharing - it really drives home the point about why this matters.

The bulk update request #30508 (forum #302955) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.