BEMANI Implications

BUR #28442 has been rejected.

create implication beatmania_(series) -> bemani
create implication beatstream -> bemani
create implication dance_dance_revolution -> bemani
create implication dancerush_stardom -> bemani
create implication gitadora -> bemani
create implication jubeat -> bemani
create implication keyboardmania -> bemani
create implication museca -> bemani
create implication pop'n_music -> bemani
create implication reflec_beat -> bemani
create implication sound_voltex -> bemani

All of these games are part of Konami's rhythm game franchise Bemani, which currently does get manually tagged on posts featuring Bemani games, but is not implied by the entries and subseries yet.

Gitadora is a subseries made up of GuitarFreaks and DrumMania. Technically Beatmania should also have an umbrella series tag but there are no posts for Beatmania or Beatmania III so implying IIDX straight to Bemani seems to work too?

Why the mehs? Is there something I should change?

Heartcatcher said:

Why the mehs? Is there something I should change?

that is a lot of mehs.

It wouldn't really change anything about how the Bemani tag is used besides make it applied consistently. The tag already gets used for any characters or references to any game in the series.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the series and would like to browse all of them in one place, but I can't easily because the main series tag isn't applied consistently.

IIDX should technically be under a Beatmania series tag as I mentioned, but said tag would be identical to the IIDX tag because there are no images for Beatmania or Beatmania III on Danbooru. I could try to change that though...

Edit: Now there is, and I added implication of IIDX to Beatmania (series).

BUR #28473 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication beatmania -> beatmania_(series)
create implication beatmania_iii -> beatmania_(series)
create implication beatmania_iidx -> beatmania_(series)
create implication guitarfreaks -> gitadora
create implication drummania -> gitadora

Separating these actually so they can be voted on their own since I assume these would be less controversial - the Beatmania games are obviously part of the Beatmania series and the Gitadora games are obviously part of the Gitadora series.

On Bemani in general - if we don't imply them and want to keep the Bemani tag for overall series stuff, the Bemani tag would need cleanup since it mostly just gets tagged manually on images with any Bemani game character. It also to my knowledge would be unusual in regards to how franchises are typically handled here?

my meh was because while im not totally opposed to an overarching bemani tag, the main issue is what characters appear when

we probably need a list_of_bemani_characters wiki page, and requalifying all of the ones who need it

thelieutenant said:

my meh was because while im not totally opposed to an overarching bemani tag, the main issue is what characters appear when

we probably need a list_of_bemani_characters wiki page, and requalifying all of the ones who need it

I'd agree with you there. There's some weirdness, some characters overlap, some don't at all, and there isn't a whole lot of information for the characters in English.

Any particular reason why beatmania iidx has such a post disparity compared to the rest of the beatmania entries? And why are some characters that have the (bemani) qualifiers tagged with that series specifically, such as nagisa_(bemani) (post #7837732)? Is it a matter of skins?

Do bemani series feature the same characters? Because that would be a strong argument for an umbrella tag. However, if it's more like nintendo where bemani is just a publisher, the tag should not be an umbrella but only be used for in-company crossovers and similar posts.

Taking a glance at the posts under these tags, they're an absolute mess. For example post #7189948 has 6(!) copytags.

nonamethanks said:

Any particular reason why beatmania iidx has such a post disparity compared to the rest of the beatmania entries?

More popular, longer lasting series. Original beatmania and beatmania iii didn't last long.

Edit: It also seems taggers will add it to any BEMANI post they don't know the origin of. Seeing it a lot on Maud posts for example when that character is from jubeat.

And why are some characters that have the (bemani) qualifiers tagged with that series specifically, such as nagisa_(bemani) (post #7837732)? Is it a matter of skins?

Do bemani series feature the same characters? Because that would be a strong argument for an umbrella tag. However, if it's more like nintendo where bemani is just a publisher, the tag should not be an umbrella but only be used for in-company crossovers and similar posts.

BEMANI isn't a company, it's a brand/series of games owned by Konami. All of these games are under that label, and some characters appear in multiple series under the label.

Taking a glance at the posts under these tags, they're an absolute mess. For example post #7189948 has 6(!) copytags.

I don't think it should have that many copytags, I think the tagger was just confused what game she came from. This one's tricky because it's based on https://remywiki.com/Nagisa_no_koakuma_lovely~radio which is in a lot of the Bemani games, but the song first appeared in jubeat, so if it's tagged with any specific copytag it should probably only be tagged with jubeat. I updated the tags.

I think I'll try to work on a list of bemani characters soon.

BUR #28946 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

rename knit_(pop'n_music) -> knit_(jubeat)
rename nagisa_(bemani) -> nagisa_(jubeat)
rename ao_(butterfly_cat) -> ao_(sound_voltex)
rename hina_(butterfly_cat) -> hina_(sound_voltex)
rename momo_(butterfly_cat) -> momo_(sound_voltex)

Some tag fixes for characters because I've been cleaning it up. Knit and Nagisa are originally from jubeat. Butterfly Cat is originally a SOUND VOLTEX song, and no other characters are disambiguated with the song, so I don't know why they are.

This is such a giant mess to detangle.

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The bulk update request #28473 (forum #292519) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

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The bulk update request #28442 (forum #292409) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

If this isn't going to happen we need to figure out what to do with Bemani because currently it's being used in this exact manner.

I still think an umbrella tag is worth having given these characters like to bounce around from game to game and it's largely treated as one thing by fans. It's not uncommon for artists to just tag their work BMS or Bemani instead of anything more specific.

Trouble_Windows said:

If this isn't going to happen we need to figure out what to do with Bemani because currently it's being used in this exact manner.

I still think an umbrella tag is worth having given these characters like to bounce around from game to game and it's largely treated as one thing by fans. It's not uncommon for artists to just tag their work BMS or Bemani instead of anything more specific.

I agree we need an umbrella tag since artists just tag Beatmania for everything and leave it at that but I don't know enough about the franchise to vote in confidence, what seperates Beatmania_(series) and Bemani?

zetsubousensei said:

I agree we need an umbrella tag since artists just tag Beatmania for everything and leave it at that but I don't know enough about the franchise to vote in confidence, what seperates Beatmania_(series) and Bemani?

Bemani is the entire rhythm game franchise, Beatmania is a specific grouping of games with the same mechanics.

Bemani includes stuff like Dance Dance Revolution and Pop'n Music, not just Beatmania. There's just also a notable amount of overlap between all the games, with stuff like songs appearing from one in the others or getting remixes in another, or jubeat characters being playable in pop'n.

Example: post #7901587 is a character from a jubeat song, but one of the images is her design from the remix of that song from Dancerush Stardom.

BUR #31318 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication beatmania_(series) -> bemani
create implication beatstream -> bemani
create implication dance_dance_revolution -> bemani
create implication dancerush_stardom -> bemani
create implication gitadora -> bemani
create implication jubeat -> bemani
create implication keyboardmania -> bemani
create implication museca -> bemani
create implication pop'n_music -> bemani
create implication reflec_beat -> bemani
create implication sound_voltex -> bemani

I would like to give this another try. As mentioned above in the thread, BEMANI is a single franchise of rhythm games broken up into several sub-franchises. Characters and songs often appear in multiple sub-franchises, for an example, just see the Pop'n Music Wiki's category for BEMANI crossover characters. The tag is already being used as an umbrella, but is currently missing direct implications.

Additionally, it appears that BEMANI does not simply mean "KONAMI rhythm game", as their latest arcade rhythm game release, Polaris Chord, notably is the only game to not feature the BEMANI branding in its final release. (It did in the location test, suggesting they likely changed their mind later on about including it in the series.)

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