Unfair User Record Negative Without Any Sort of Previous Warning

HeeroWingZero said:

Mecha and robot used to be treated as distinct tags until fairly recently (by recently I mean only a year or two ago). Robot's wiki used to say it was exclusively for non-humanoid types and excluded mecha. It was a dumb and pedantic oldbooru construction, and it was eventually changed into an umbrella tag with related tags like mecha, humanoid robot, and non-humanoid robot implied to it.

I do sort of remember that discussion now that you mention it, though I wasn't part of it.

Kronnang_Dunn said:

He is misusing the grading system. I sent him a perfectly normal neutral score warning per Danbooru official rules. I did not use a Negative feedback so do not accuse me of the same thing he did to me... Saying that I am weaponizing the grading system like TrueKringe just did is a serious unfounded and pretty difamatory accusation. It may seem you are taking sides in an otherwise neutral matter.

And the reason I believe he is targeting me is because he himself explicitly mentioned I am misusing those three tags, mecha, robot and military, when it is clearly and obivously not true. I am not a vandal. I am a Builder level user who happens to like and love mecha, robot and military anime very much. In 16 years my edits have always been in good faith.

And I also noticed that user has a history of one negative grade feedback for bullying another user with harsh language... Obviously I DO NOT.

It doesn't matter why you gave the record, it doesn't help the situation. Giving a record to a user that hasn't been active in over 10 years doesn't accomplish anything, either. If the rules are being broken, let the moderators handle it. Giving a record for receiving a record looks bad for you.

I agree the record you got sounds stupid. I also agree that you retaliating with one instead of waiting for a moderator to address the issue is a bad idea. If I'm taking anyone's side it's yours, but that doesn't make what you did good.

Kronnang_Dunn said:

For what Is worth the TAG robot appears automatically whenever I post the TAG mecha.

That's what implications do, yes. It's existed for almost three years, as was said. The list of implications can be seen at the bottom of the wiki.

Blank_User said:

The rules warn against retaliatory feedbacks, and even if that wasn't your intention, it's still more likely to raise tensions and make it harder to resolve the issue peacefully. From what little information we have access to, the evidence seems to be on your side, but adding claims you can't prove in your feedback does not help your case. The most likely result is that both feedbacks will be removed.

I do not think that would be the right thing to do. All I demand Is he changes his grade to Neutral. Negative bans can have me banned and I frankly I dont' believe I deserve that for a simple tagging misunderdtanding, specially if I am innocent of any wrongdoing.

Kronnang_Dunn said:

I do not think that would be the right thing to do. All I demand Is he changes his grade to Neutral. Negative bans can have me banned and I frankly I dont' believe I deserve that for a simple tagging misunderdtanding, specially if I am innocent of any wrongdoing.

Users are banned for bad behavior, not negative feedbacks. Assuming TrueKringe's feedback is unjustified, it will be removed and not affect your standing on the site. Even if it were changed to neutral, having a false accusation remain on your record is unfair to you, so there's no reason to keep it. On the other hand, if you're ignoring advice to leave it to the mods and admins and bringing it to the forefront here while sending unnecessary feedbacks that can easily be seen as retaliation, you could get at least a neutral feedback that would be justified.

You do seem to have a strong case. All we're asking is that you don't sabotage yourself while trying to clear your name. Have you tried contacting a mod or admin about this yet?

Kronnang_Dunn said:

I do not think that would be the right thing to do. All I demand Is he changes his grade to Neutral. Negative bans can have me banned and I frankly I dont' believe I deserve that for a simple tagging misunderdtanding, specially if I am innocent of any wrongdoing.

I can think of several users that have way too many negatives and have never been banned once. You're not going to get banned just because a non-moderator gave you one negative. If it's a stupid negative, and this one feels like it is, then it'll get deleted, and the other user may even be punished for it. That's why we keep saying to let the mods settle it.

They're not just going to leave you with a negative you didn't deserve, and they're especially not going to punish you for it. Certainly not after we literally just had a thread about this exact situation. TrueKringe wasn't part of that discussion, but that still doesn't excuse giving spurious records.

I deleted the feedback, regardless of whether it's valid or not it shouldn't have been given without contact to begin with. As the others said, please don't give retaliatory feedbacks in response, it just gives us more work for no reason.

Blank_User said:

The rules warn against retaliatory feedbacks, and even if that wasn't your intention, it's still more likely to raise tensions and make it harder to resolve the issue peacefully. From what little information we have access to, the evidence seems to be on your side, but adding claims you can't prove in your feedback does not help your case. The most likely result is that both feedbacks will be removed.

Yes, I think I vaguely remember that discussion. That explains why I got mixed up earlier.

Okay I removed the NEUTRAL gradings. I sent messages to several mods but nobody has answered them yet....

nonamethanks said:

I deleted the feedback, regardless of whether it's valid or not it shouldn't have been given without contact to begin with. As the others said, please don't give retaliatory feedbacks in response, it just gives us more work for no reason.

Thank you very much, I also removed both Neutral grades I sent TrueKringe and LaC...

However I must mention something about my only negative grade feedback by User LaC I received several years ago. Could it also be removed or at the very least be turned Neutral? I never got a warning for it. I never appealed it before because at the time I did not know the rules well and thought it was legit.

Didn't think I'd have to bump this thread after so long, but...

@Kronnang_Dunn Why did you repost the feedback to LaC you deleted last month? I thought we had an understanding about this.

Blank_User said:

Didn't think I'd have to bump this thread after so long, but...

@Kronnang_Dunn Why did you repost the feedback to LaC you deleted last month? I thought we had an understanding about this.

LaC never turned my negative Score to Neutral.

Kronnang_Dunn said:

LaC never turned my negative Score to Neutral.

I hope you realise they haven't interacted with the site in more than 10 years. Regardless, that's not a reason to issue a retaliatory feedback. You were already told not to do this so I'm not sure why you would anyway without considering not only that but the fact that the user in question isn't even active.

I did mention LaC hadn't been active in over ten years. Even considering there's no reason to expect a user that hasn't touched the site in over a decade to get involved in this, that record was given 16 years ago. Danbooru was a very different site then. There are so many spurious, petty, absurd negative records from that period.

I don't think anyone today is going to take someone whining over spoilers over a decade ago seriously.

Changli said:

I hope you realise they haven't interacted with the site in more than 10 years. Regardless, that's not a reason to issue a retaliatory feedback. You were already told not to do this so I'm not sure why you would anyway without considering not only that but the fact that the user in question isn't even active.

I had hoped for some response from LaC, but there was none. Let me delete it as the user is inactive.

That's why we have DMails.