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keonas said:
The 2nd should be the 3rd? I'm confused.
Chronologically, she had 2 old models from kurokuma (kuro kumagaya), and since that artist disappeared, they switched to magako in 2021 with kurumi noah (1st costume).
That's how it normally works, even if it's a different artist the tag old 2nd costume should still be tagged as "2nd costume" and the current 2nd costume should be 3rd costume
TheGamingRodent said:
That's how it normally works, even if it's a different artist the tag old 2nd costume should still be tagged as "2nd costume" and the current 2nd costume should be 3rd costume
But it precedes the kurumi noah (1st costume), wouldn't that become the 3rd costume and kurumi noah (2nd costume) be the 4th?
TheGamingRodent said:
Adding an alias for Henya's school uniform outfit and some missing aliasing for Ironmouse's outfits also
fixing Ironmouse's swimsuit/summer outfit
Have you double-checked that the nth costumes are correct? Also, you typo'd Henya's name.
TheGamingRodent said:
Adding implication for Korone's ShadKoro costume...
If it is her ShadKoro costume, why isn't it labeled as such?
keonas said:
If that's the preferred format, I can change it right now, the tag was just created.
Wanted to ask bout the 2nd costume more, if the naming is ok? Since I don't see any precedent for a 2nd "old" outfit.
kurumi_noah_(old_2nd_costume)
TheGamingRodent said:
In my opinion I think it should be the 2nd old costume should be the 3rd costume and so-on lol
keonas said:
The 2nd should be the 3rd? I'm confused.
Chronologically, she had 2 old models from kurokuma (kuro kumagaya), and since that artist disappeared, they switched to magako in 2021 with kurumi noah (1st costume).
TheGamingRodent said:
That's how it normally works, even if it's a different artist the tag old 2nd costume should still be tagged as "2nd costume" and the current 2nd costume should be 3rd costume
keonas said:
But it precedes the kurumi noah (1st costume), wouldn't that become the 3rd costume and kurumi noah (2nd costume) be the 4th?
We don't have precedent for costume tags labeled (nth_old_costume), mostly because that's never been discussed, but also because I'd argue it is incredibly confusing when paired with the (nth_costume) qualifiers, since if you didn't know any better, you could accidentally click on the wrong 2nd costume. (old_design) is largely meant for one-and-done changes which cause, for the most part, no numbering complications, like Snuffy (VTuber) (Old Design) predating all of Snuffy's stuff since, or how we have cases such as Hoshimachi Suisei (Old Design) and Tokino Sora (Old Design), representing one main design while also lumping under them costumes no one anywhere features in their counts (or draws fanart of), official or fans, prior to the debut of their current defaults.
But it can't fit in all cases, especially if official/fan resources maintain numbering continuity even when old costumes worn at debut get replaced way later. For instance, most folks would not consider Shiranui Flare (1st Costume) her fourth costume despite being it actually being her actual fourth chronologically, as even prior to Shiranui Flare (Old Design) was being increasingly used less and less by her on stream in favor of her other costumes, her New Year costume being affectionately referred to as her actual default costume due to how much more she used it in favor prior to her current default debuting (a fact not reflected in post numbers). So it made the use of Old Design for that costume very intuitive. In contrast, for many Nijisanji livers, there was a continued acknowledgement of what their original costumes were officially and by fans, so you have tags such as Suzuka Utako (1st Costume) whose wikis direct you to their new defaults, which are often a far later debuting costume. Nijisanji also provides an example of a three-time default switch in Makaino Ririmu, where her 1st, 2nd and 4th costumes were all her defaults.
All of this is to say, giving Kurumi Noah the Nijisanji approach would probably make sense here, so that she has 1st to 7th for her costumes (making her current "Old" 1st, her current "2nd Old Costume" 2nd, 1st the 3rd, current 2nd the 4th, so on), if we're not lumping the second costume she received from Kurokuma together with her original debut design.
Damian0358 said:
Have you double-checked that the nth costumes are correct? Also, you typo'd Henya's name.
If it is her ShadKoro costume, why isn't it labeled as such?
All of this is to say, giving Kurumi Noah the Nijisanji approach would probably make sense here, so that she has 1st to 7th for her costumes (making her current "Old" 1st, her current "2nd Old Costume" 2nd, 1st the 3rd, current 2nd the 4th, so on), if we're not lumping the second costume she received from Kurokuma together with her original debut design.
Prolly cause the person who created didn't tag it as ShadKoro, also on the topic of Kurumi Noah, should I fix the bur for her?
BUR #29483 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
rename kurumi_noah_(5th_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(7th_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(4th_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(6th_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(3rd_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(5th_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(2nd_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(4th_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(1st_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(3rd_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(old_2nd_costume) -> kurumi_noah_(2nd_costume)
rename kurumi_noah_(old) -> kurumi_noah_(1st_costume)
Like so. The reverse-order should ensure there won't be any issues, I hope.
Good good. That's all logical and easy to follow.
I got tied up in the particularity that her redesign also got an artist and face change, which is pretty rare. But at the end of the day, this is the easiest way to just track art.
Now that there's a precedent, I can finally start doing something about Kaga sumire, who has multiple old outfit remakes, like kaga sumire (uniform remake).
keonas said:
Now that there's a precedent, I can finally start doing something about Kaga sumire, who has multiple old outfit remakes, like kaga sumire (uniform remake).
Updates/remakes to costumes don't necessarily result in whole new tags, especially when the intent is for them to be one and the same. The best example of this I can think of right now is Maimoto Keisuke (1st Costume), as his actual debut model got straight-up replaced with a new one, though one could bring up the multitude of other costumes that have received updates allowing them to switch out or add new elements, such as Vienna (VTuber) (1st Costume) giving her a new jacket and hairstyle option and Usada Pekora (Casual) giving her a brand new cardigan.
Damian0358 said:
Updates/remakes to costumes don't necessarily result in whole new tags, especially when the intent is for them to be one and the same. The best example of this I can think of right now is Maimoto Keisuke (1st Costume), as his actual debut model got straight-up replaced with a new one, though one could bring up the multitude of other costumes that have received updates allowing them to switch out or add new elements, such as Vienna (VTuber) (1st Costume) giving her a new jacket and hairstyle option and Usada Pekora (Casual) giving her a brand new cardigan.
I agree, it's why we didn't make a separate tag for ichinose_uruha_(3rd_costume), which recently got a remake.
Sumire's tend to be more major upgrades. For instance, outside the "sleeveless shirt, miniskirt, with purple necktie" combo, the 2 versions of Sumire's uniform look pretty different and will have different tags
post #3262372 vs post #7717157.
keonas said:
I agree, it's why we didn't make a separate tag for ichinose_uruha_(3rd_costume), which recently got a remake.
Sumire's tend to be more major upgrades. For instance, outside the "sleeveless shirt, miniskirt, with purple necktie" combo, the 2 versions of Sumire's uniform look pretty different and will have different tags
post #3262372 vs post #7717157.
In this specific example, I'm reminded of the composite/combination costumes I talked about a few pages ago. The tops for both versions are essentially the same (also the boots and thigh strap, but that's less notable), but otherwise it feels more like one of those mix-and-match cases, with a removable jacket, interchangeable skirts and hairstyles, and so on, a fact emphasized by the full remade version in post #7717150. Hell, checking the fan wiki for Sumire, fans also do not separately distinguish her remade versions either, only noting that they had in fact happened, but not giving them distinct numbering. If we were to give Sumire separate treatment then suddenly we'd have to do the same for Maimoto, who, again, went from post #6676284 to post #6668418. That is arguably a major upgrade in the same vein, necessitating different tags, but that wouldn't be of useful for anyone. It's just unnecessarily complicating the tagging of main costumes.
The bulk update request #29444 (forum #296414) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #29424 (forum #296353) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #29423 (forum #296345) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
TheGamingRodent said:
BUR #29421 has been rejected.
create implication inugami_korone_(shadow_the_hedgehog) -> inugami_korone
create alias inugami_korone_(shadow_the_hedgehog) -> inugami_korone_(shadkoro)Adding implication for Korone's ShadKoro costume.
Where is "shadkoro" from? If I google that the only result I get is this topic.
nonamethanks said:
Where is "shadkoro" from? If I google that the only result I get is this topic.
it's short for "Shadow Korone". Honestly, ask TGR where they got it (maybe some obscure JP blog or wiki shorthand though it might just be a personal shorthand) since I'd prefer the current costume tag to stay as it is.
TBF there's inugami_korone_(sonikoro) so it's likely just building off that
nonamethanks said:
Where is "shadkoro" from? If I google that the only result I get is this topic.
ArcieA said:
it's short for "Shadow Korone". Honestly, ask TGR where they got it (maybe some obscure JP blog or wiki shorthand though it might just be a personal shorthand) since I'd prefer the current costume tag to stay as it is.
Trouble_Windows said:
TBF there's inugami_korone_(sonikoro) so it's likely just building off that
It's 100% building off of SoniKoro, as searching シャドころ online demonstrates. There's also the nonshortened version of シャドウころね (Shadow Korone), which has actually gotten use too because of Korone herself referring to it as such, seen here. Of course, there's also the fact that we don't know whether this will actually amount to anything beyond the pre-order bonuses yet, and the tag might turn out completely unnecessary.
Updated
BUR #29605 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication monarch_(amalee)_(1st_costume) -> monarch_(amalee)
create alias monarch_(amalee)_(2nd_costume) -> monarch_(amalee)_(flame_empress)
create implication monarch_(amalee)_(flame_empress) -> monarch_(amalee)
create alias monarch_(amalee)_(3rd_costume) -> monarch_(amalee)_(siren)
create implication monarch_(amalee)_(siren) -> monarch_(amalee)
Adding implications and aliasing some of Monarch's outfits.
BUR #29606 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication jelly_hoshiumi_(1st_costume) -> jelly_hoshiumi
create implication jelly_hoshiumi_(2nd_costume) -> jelly_hoshiumi
Did some tag-gardening for Jelly Hoshiumi's new outfit as well as her first.
The bulk update request #29606 (forum #297186) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
