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Street Fighter - costume tags

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BUR #29214 has been rejected.

create implication battle_outfit_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication capcom_pro_tour_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication dolls_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication fortnite_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication halloween_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication holiday_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication school_uniform_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication story_mode_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication streetwise_cammy -> cammy_white
create implication track_suit_cammy -> cammy_white
mass update cammy_white garrison_cap -> killer_bee_cammy
mass update cammy_white ribbed_leotard -> killer_bee_cammy
create implication killer_bee_cammy -> cammy_white

Inspired by recent alternate costume implications for Overwatch.

https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/character/cammy/costume?lang=en

I have populated the above (except for Killer Bee Cammy) but unsure how to handle the Nostalgia costume since it comes from SFIV, nor how to handle the various official cosplay costumes.

Only did Cammy so if this gets downvoted, the changes can be reversed & nuked.

After updating Cammy's wiki and going through each of these costumes personally, I actually hope this BUR doesn't pass - not because it isn't valid, but moreso because I don't think the practice of costume tagging is as practical here as it is for games such as League of Legends and Overwatch.

Street Fighter as a franchise hasn't really bothered to maintain consistent names for its alternate costumes. Street Fighter IV just goes with "Alternate #", so unless you went by DLC name (Complete Alternate, Super Complete Alternate, Ultra Complete Alternate, Arcade Challengers, Vacation, Wild, Horror, or something like that) you can't really name them. Street Fighter 6 continues this by going with "Outfit #". Street Fighter V stands out as the outlier here, giving each costume sort of proper names (which sort of makes sense when you hear that the devs credit all the costume DLCs for saving the game). But some of the costume names introduced in SFV are ambiguous, such as "Story Mode Cammy" (really just Story Cammy) or "Nostalgia Cammy" (Alternate 1/Complete Alternate Cammy from SFIV), because multiple Street Fighter games by now have had Story Modes and what constitutes as a "Nostalgia" costume for someone like Cammy would probably vary dramatically. And none of this is even mentioning the alt-designs some costumes in SFV have, as well as tracking down costume release dates so that costumes don't get improperly tagged because someone happened to draw something similar to the unique designs, or confuse one of the throwback costumes as fanart of one of the older games...

All of this is to say, I think tagging alt-costumes in fighting games is a can of worms we should probably be careful with (and this doesn't even consider fucking Street Fighter: Duel, and the broader issue of unrestrained gacha costume tagging impacting stuff like Mario, Sonic, etc). And even beyond that, why did you make tags for her designs in Final Fight Streetwise (Streetwise Cammy) and Fortnite (Fortnite Cammy)? That's not how we normally handle alt-designs for characters in other copyrights.

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Punished_Kiki said:

Also, it would be great to have these alternate costumes tagged with proper names while the official SFV sites are still alive - Capcom will 100% sunset the official site at some point in the near-future & all those costume names will be lost.

I'm 100% certain that wouldn't be an issue, because the names have not just been preserved on various fan wikis, but also we would still have the official patch notes available (ex. ver. 02.060).

BUR #32083 has been rejected.

rename story_mode_cammy -> sfv_story_cammy

Cammy's Story costume in SFV is just called "Story" in-game, so the 'mode' is superfluous, but more egregiously, "Story Cammy" and "Story Mode Cammy" are both equally ambiguous names, for reasons I had mentioned. "SFV Story Cammy" is more specific.

No decision had been made yet about whether or not these tags should exist to begin with, so I'll use this rename BUR as a bump for the topic. If these tags should exist, approve the original BUR first before this one, so that it carries over the implication to the main tag. Someone should double-check the 'mass updates' though.

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