Rename "pussy" to "vagina"

There is simply no reason to use such gratuitous vulgarity for a descriptive tag. I mean, despite the plethora of alternate names for the male genitaelia, some even more common in the context of erotica I might add, the tag is still Penis, as it should be. Why should its female counterpart not receive the same dignity?

Ass should probably be renamed to "butt" as well, but I won't consider that one to be as pressing an issue, as the correct term would really be "buttocks" which is longer and sounds awkward, and the word itself isn't quite as derogatory to begin with.

It's aesthetically pleasing for penis and pussy to start with the same letter and have the same number of letters. It creates a very nice symmetry that would be a shame to lose.

To throw in my two cents, I'm quite surprised to find myself agreeing with ichigopurin - I never thought about it, but frankly, it really is unnecessarily vulgar. That itself wouldn't be that much strong of an argument on a website thats primarily focused on explicit pictures. But in the last few years, long before I've even joined, there seems to have been a larger attempt by the community here to clean up a lot of tags.

Before anyone swings the "politically correct" hammer, I'm just pointing out that from what I can see those changes had been widely supported by the majorities of users and have been largely focused around more correct terminology, which is frankly the same argument ichigopurin makes. The main reason to skip certain tag changes of this nature seems to have been mostly practicallity, but in most discussions I can find, we went with the more accurate term. So there is an argument for consistency to be made.

Honestly I must also say that I'd be able to live with the pussy tag remaining the pussy tag, but I think it's worth at least being discussed.

CasualStan said:

I'm just pointing out that from what I can see those changes had been widely supported by the majorities of users and have been largely focused around more correct terminology, which is frankly the same argument ichigopurin makes. The main reason to skip certain tag changes of this nature seems to have been mostly practicallity, but in most discussions I can find, we went with the more accurate term. So there is an argument for consistency to be made.

From what I've been told over the years, in regards to 'more correct terminology', pussy is functionally more practical, because it's the only commonly used word for female genitalia that encompasses the whole thing, because every other word - vagina, vulva, labia, clitoris, etc. - refer to only one specific part of it. There really is no other more appropriate word for it, to my understanding, at least in common use.

Damian0358 said:

From what I've been told over the years, in regards to 'more correct terminology', pussy is functionally more practical, because it's the only commonly used word for female genitalia that encompasses the whole thing, because every other word - vagina, vulva, labia, clitoris, etc. - refer to only one specific part of it. There really is no other more appropriate word for it, to my understanding, at least in common use.

@Damian0358 : Oh, I actually haven't thought of it this way - thanks for pointing this out!
Most people I know seem to use the term 'vagina' to refer to the female genitals as a whole, but as you have pointed out, that's not actually correct, which renders the whole argument somewhat mute.

Which only leaves the vulgarity argument, which, in my opinion, just isn't that strong of a case on a website that mostly focuses on explicit images, which by their very nature are very vulgar.

CasualStan said:.

Which only leaves the vulgarity argument, which, in my opinion, just isn't that strong of a case on a website that mostly focuses on explicit images, which by their very nature are very vulgar.

Danbooru is not "a website that mostly focuses on explicit images." Explicit images are in fact less likely be approved on average than an equal quality more SFW image. E and Q images make up over 40% of all deleted images, while only accounting for just barely 20% of all active images.

blindVigil said:

Danbooru is not "a website that mostly focuses on explicit images." Explicit images are in fact less likely be approved on average than an equal quality more SFW image. E and Q images make up over 40% of all deleted images, while only accounting for just barely 20% of all active images.

Thanks for the correction, blindVigil. I didn't intend to step on anyones toes with that statement, so sorry for the inaccuracy.
I was merely trying to point towards, what seems to me from an outsider-perspective, main use-case of the website.

This isn't meant accusatory in any way, but I was just trying to point out that explicit images are not only a non-trivial part of the websites data, but it doesn't seem like a stretch to me to say that the majority of the casual users of the site come here for the explicit imagery. Which shouldn't be controversial when we look at what the currently non-functioning gold-account-upgrade mainly sells, besides higher tag-search-counts.
Heck, I have no problem saying that this is what I originally came here for.

But I should have phrased it differently initially, and made clear that I'm more pointing towards the users than the database.

Damian0358 said:

From what I've been told over the years, in regards to 'more correct terminology', pussy is functionally more practical, because it's the only commonly used word for female genitalia that encompasses the whole thing, because every other word - vagina, vulva, labia, clitoris, etc. - refer to only one specific part of it. There really is no other more appropriate word for it, to my understanding, at least in common use.

It would not appear to me that the tag is supposed to encompass the whole thing though, otherwise one would expect partially_visible_vulva to implicate pussy just like anus_peek implicates anus, for example. For what it's worth, the wiki page for partially_visible_vulva even describes the vulva as "the external part of the vagina".

Perfect is the enemy of good. Vagina requires more finger movement to type and is not significant improvement (its in fact worse since it describes only the interior canal). Pussy is fine, easier to type and changing it would be stupid.

Also you are being far far too literal here. A tag not implicating another on Danbooru is not really an argument as they are always in flux/missed and in this case partially_visible_vulva shouldnt implicate pussy as its not yet nude.

Artxe said:

Perfect is the enemy of good. Vagina requires more finger movement to type and is not significant improvement (its in fact worse since it describes only the interior canal). Pussy is fine, easier to type and changing it would be stupid.

Not only is pussy easier to type, it's easier to type single-handedly, which is obviously superior considering it's target audience.

ichigopurin said:

It would not appear to me that the tag is supposed to encompass the whole thing though, otherwise one would expect partially_visible_vulva to implicate pussy just like anus_peek implicates anus, for example. For what it's worth, the wiki page for partially_visible_vulva even describes the vulva as "the external part of the vagina".

Why would a tag for a part of the whole implicate a tag specifically for the entire thing being visible? Partially visible vulva doesn't implicate pussy because the latter is for when you can see the whole thing, or at least enough of it to be relevant. Only being able to see some of the vulva is definitely not the whole thing. Pussy isn't even actually supposed to be used if it's too heavily censored, iirc, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's not very consistently followed.

As Damian pointed out, "pussy" and "vagina" do not mean the same thing. Drawings of vaginas make up only a fraction of the images tagged pussy. If you're going to make threads requesting specificity, at least be accurate.

gfz said:

As Damian pointed out, "pussy" and "vagina" do not mean the same thing. Drawings of vaginas make up only a fraction of the images tagged pussy. If you're going to make threads requesting specificity, at least be accurate.

I was criticizing the tag for being exceedingly vulgar, not nonspecific. It is bizarre to me that this is the only body part tag where such vulgarity is invoked (except to a lesser extent ass). Vagina is the most common word to refer to this area, which is why I suggested it. I don't think the anatomical definition of the word would cause any confusion since there isn't even a tag for the vaginal canal itself. Referring to the female genetaelia as a whole is a common colloquial use of both "vagina" and "pussy". They are the same in that regard. The only difference is that one is a lot more crude. If we are really being technical about literal definitions of words, "pussy" should alias to cat.

I have to agree with ichigopurin. It always felt odd to me that we used pussy instead of vagina, especially since, for example, we use fellatio and anilingus, not blowjob or rimjob. I'm not seeing this in a puritan, "ohh we shouldn't be vulgar" way, I just feel like it's inconsistent.

Artxe said:

Pussy is fine, easier to type and changing it would be stupid.

The old adage is "just alias it, it appears in the autocomplete". (besides, "dick" is easier to type than "penis" too, but we don't use that)

Login_to_view said:

I have to agree with ichigopurin. It always felt odd to me that we used pussy instead of vagina, especially since, for example, we use fellatio and anilingus, not blowjob or rimjob. I'm not seeing this in a puritan, "ohh we shouldn't be vulgar" way, I just feel like it's inconsistent.

This is a great point, I also am going to second the opinion that nobody will ever confuse this for the vaginal canal. Most of our tags are named in layman's terms, and in this instance vagina is commonly used to refer to female genitalia in general. I'll also add that dick and pussy are technically ambiguous (with the nickname and cats respectively) so I don't see any reason to not use more precise terms.

I also want to add a counterpoint to myself, just to be entirely clear.
Although pussy juice sounds, honestly, pretty bad, changing it to vaginal secretion is a sidegrade at best. pussy juice trail would become vaginal secretion trail, which... doesn't sound too good either honestly. I would still be willing to go through it, just pointing out that some tags are probably going to get silly.

Login_to_view said:

I also want to add a counterpoint to myself, just to be entirely clear.
Although pussy juice sounds, honestly, pretty bad, changing it to vaginal secretion is a sidegrade at best. pussy juice trail would become vaginal secretion trail, which... doesn't sound too good either honestly.

Thanks, I hate it :KemoDisgust:

I see both sides, but in my opinion, the tag is probably too old for any argument worth mattering. Vulgarity isn't really a strong case to restructure the entirety of... over 300K posts and NSFW posting culture on Danbooru. One of those "too far gone" type of deals. :ExuCurse:

ichigopurin said:

There is simply no reason to use such gratuitous vulgarity for a descriptive tag. I mean, despite the plethora of alternate names for the male genitaelia, some even more common in the context of erotica I might add, the tag is still Penis, as it should be. Why should its female counterpart not receive the same dignity?

Ass should probably be renamed to "butt" as well, but I won't consider that one to be as pressing an issue, as the correct term would really be "buttocks" which is longer and sounds awkward, and the word itself isn't quite as derogatory to begin with.

That would be Vulva, not vagina. But yes I've had similar ish thoughts thought not with all tags. For instance semen is cum and preejcatulate is precum.

Login_to_view said:

I also want to add a counterpoint to myself, just to be entirely clear.
Although pussy juice sounds, honestly, pretty bad, changing it to vaginal secretion is a sidegrade at best. pussy juice trail would become vaginal secretion trail, which... doesn't sound too good either honestly. I would still be willing to go through it, just pointing out that some tags are probably going to get silly.

Wouldn't that be vaginal discharge? There geniunly isn't a good name for that.

We could go the E6 route of "vaginal fluids".

Mango2 said:

Wouldn't that be vaginal discharge?

That sounds too medical and vague. It could also apply to period et simila.

We could go the E6 route of "vaginal fluids".

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