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葉月 said:
In fact, it's the opposite, remember that things go in if *any single* mod likes them, yet you're effectively saying that we can't agree to change any of these decisions because that'd be getting onto other mods' turf. It doesn't make sense.
I probably misunderstood something here, how's that the opposite? That's exactly what I'm saying: Send them back to the queue, if the consensus then is they should go, they go; if any single mod likes them, they stay.
Fred1515 said:
I probably misunderstood something here, how's that the opposite? That's exactly what I'm saying: Send them back to the queue, if the consensus then is they should go, they go; if any single mod likes them, they stay.
That's not how consensus works. If the general agreement is they go, then any single person overriding this decision is not a consensus. Supposedly me deciding single-handedly to delete them is so unfair, how is someone else single-handedly deciding to keep them less unfair? We're not UN, we don't need unequivocal agreement to reach a decision.
Also, since no valid defense has been presented ("please, somebody think of the children" doesn't count), and almost no-one has even tried defending them in the first place, whereas the popular opinion is that they're garbage, I'll go ahead and delete them. If there are any more non-sex ones like post #98166 and post #103160 and I miss them, please tell me. Otherwise, zone's going down.
葉月 said:
And why'd we want their "contributions" in the first place? Do you also think that European settlers "contributed" diseases and alcoholism to the native population of Americas?
We're totally off-tangent already, but your logic is closing in on Godwin's Law here.
A nation is nothing without its people and regardless what form of government we have here, by downplaying the contributions of the people, you're making it seem as if Danbooru is exclusive to an elite caste which it's not. It's open to whoever bothers to sign up.
My intention is not to pick a fight with you, so as a closing comment I thank you for removing the Zone flashes.
Holy shit this nation analogy stuff is getting out of hand.
Admins should be able to see who approves what post so that they can remove people who approve trash so that zone flashes and other extremely low quality and off topic material does not get approved. Example: post #516201
It seems that unapproving things gets them approved right back with the person who approved them in the first place, making the process useless.
Well I'm gone from the forum for a couple days and everything goes to hell on me, guess im late to the defence but im gonna say it anyway.
Sorry to say this 葉月 but if you hate them so badly whynot simply blacklist them instead of a purge? many people including myself liked, at least a few of the zone flashes. I could sit here and make a big wall of text to make myself look important too but i know its pointless to fight your opinion, when I am not a mod. your opinion may have merit towards many of the flashes here from zone but some (post #175406 105 faves, post #111237 90 faves, and post #306577 with 215 faves.) should have stayed in my opinion. If this comment gets lost in a sea of flames or nuked then it only proves how closed minded you really are here.
I dont really care if you put them back or not since I have them saved on my computer but the non forum users will have not seen this coming and be sorely dissapointed. Honestly 葉月, however you pronounce that name of yours, I think you need to take a jumbo chill pill because you are getting way to worked up over this mess.
ShadowNinja, i'm guessing that the deleting of Zone/HentaiKey flashes is to upkeep standards around here. It seems as though this isn't an explicit flash-heavy site, and measures are being taken to keep it that way, seeing as how most explicit flashes are done by people with very little in the way of animation skills. I have all of the zone flashes saved from rapidshare, and with the exception of post #175406 and post #306577 and 2 others that really aren't that good enough to mention, the rest, including the non-flashes, are garbage. I think the Zone pics should be deleted as well, but the HentaiKey pics seems reasonably alright. and Hazuki is kinda scary, so I wouldn't anger him.
Dogenzaka said:
ShadowNinja, i'm guessing that the deleting of Zone/HentaiKey flashes is to upkeep standards around here. It seems as though this isn't an explicit flash-heavy site, and measures are being taken to keep it that way, seeing as how most explicit flashes are done by people with very little in the way of animation skills.
you are probably right about that but there is not much reason I can see for Hazuki to be so fierce about it, but perhaps he has just been here so long he is tired of people that dont agree with him, been member so long that his nerves are shot. I will say that I am more than someone who is here for "fapping" (I hate that word btw,) I appreciate the skilled art too, especially edobox's work. And as for my comment below
shadowninja said:
I think you need to take a jumbo chill pill because you are getting way to worked up over this mess.
It is difficult to get tone across in text, its not ment as an insult just a suggestion, I dont think you need to cuss people out just to get a point across to them, sorry if i seemed overly worked up about it myself, I am actually very calm right now. Sorry about that Hazuki.
Granola said: Admins should be able to see who approves what post so that they can remove people who approve trash so that zone flashes and other extremely low quality and off topic material does not get approved. Example: post #516201
While true, that pretty much means *me* making that decision unilaterally, which is... difficult. Also, I don't have the ability to see who approved what in any systematic way. I can't search on it or anything, so I can't, say, check a mod's approvals against posts that got deleted and see if they're approving a lot of crap. And "Undelete" operations don't track the person who did it at all for me.
So while I have some concerns about names I've seen pop up as having approved inappropriate images, it's nothing I can present as hard evidence accrued over time.
Granola said:
It seems that unapproving things gets them approved right back with the person who approved them in the first place, making the process useless.
My experience also.
jxh2154 said:
I don't have the ability to see who approved what in any systematic way. I can't search on it or anything, so I can't, say, check a mod's approvals against posts that got deleted and see if they're approving a lot of crap. And "Undelete" operations don't track the person who did it at all for me.
How wonderful it would be if this were made possible. With ten mods and some twenty janitors, it's probably a good idea to have someone moderate the mods.
shadowninja said:
Sorry to say this 葉月 but if you hate them so badly whynot simply blacklist them instead of a purge?
We've had this argument a million times already, and it's still invalid: blacklists are not a substitute for moderation and proper quality assurance. They're an okay solution for "eh, I guess we'll just agree to disagree". But not if we have something that's simply crap whose only "value" is catering to porn-seekers. As I've said before, we don't intentionally try to interfere with browsing porn most of the time, but when it's porn against something else, porn will always lose. Here it's porn against quality, and on danbooru quality is the #1 concern.
shadowninja said:
I appreciate the skilled art too, especially edobox's work.
And no-one's deleting edobox! But that has no bearing on whether zone stays or not. So far not a single defense has been "I think those flashes are great, well-done and of really good, danbooru quality". Everyone who's even tried defending them went down the favourites route, and that's just a "think of the children!" argument, which I deeply hate. And we no longer really take favourites into account on non-borderline cases ever since we have the mod queue (and 170k users) in place.
jxh2154 said:
How about this, someone go on *chan and ask this Zone person to C&D danbooru and the problem solves itself? =P
I can contact him (he has a page somewhere IIRC) but he probably won't give a damn anyways, why would he want to C&D Danbooru when he posts everything he makes on /f/ for free?
Btw didn't Hazuki fix this problem already?
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