Elden Ring Descussion: Melina's eye reveal

some time ago I tagged every pic that Melina had her left eye open as the gloam-eyed queen similar to tags like margit-morgott, godfrey-hoarah and others like such because it was pretty obvious that such was the case, @Aqros161 deleted that tag & and dubbed Melina's gloam left eye as something as basic as heterochromia

this is clearly not the case, it is speculation that she is the gloam-eyed queen but it is also speculation to presume that a reveal of a glowing eye at the bad ending of a souls game that's set in a fantasy setting is as trivial as "heterochromia", therefore I ask that we discuss on whether or not there should be a tag to differentiate between when the eye is open & when the eye is closed, I opt to reuse the tag I used before but if anyone else has a better tag to distinguish between the two then please say so.

I also tagged all the appropriate ones I removed with unusually open eyes. unusually_open_eyes melina_(elden_ring) is sufficient to search. I'm normally at the "make more tags" end of the spectrum and even I think it would be pointless to have a specific tag for Melina's eye.

And even if there is a particular tag for it, it certainly shouldn't be gloam eyed queen. "Melina is the Gloam-Eyed Queen" has a bit more credibility than a random "these two characters who don't have completely known backstories are definitely the same character" crackpot fan theory but is not even close to confirmed.

the only time lore character tags like that should be considered is if the artist commentary and/or replies indicate they aimed to draw said lore character. design speculation may be worth considering to add too

and yeah for this case I'm in agreement with Aqros here. Melina is a character that can qualify for the useful unusually open eyes tag

In agreement with the previous two replies. Melina being the Gloam Eyed Queen is pure fan speculation. We shouldn't be making/applying character tags for something that's not even confirmed, even less so when its only use is when a character opens their eye.

Aqros161 said:

I also tagged all the appropriate ones I removed with unusually open eyes. unusually_open_eyes melina_(elden_ring) is sufficient to search. I'm normally at the "make more tags" end of the spectrum and even I think it would be pointless to have a specific tag for Melina's eye.

I ask that there be one tag to define when she has the eye open because of how vague the idea is for people to use two or three tags to show only pics with Melina's eye open, it'd be generally easier for everyone if it required only one tag instead of two.

Like said above, unusually_open_eyes melina_(elden_ring) and also melina_(elden_ring) heterochromia are decent searches. We don't know who the Gloam Eyed Queen is yet, it might not even be revealed in the DLC.

So you're asking that one character be given special treatment and have a tag made just for them just to represent something as simple as a normally closed eye being open, something we already have a tag for?

blindVigil said:

for convenience's sake, yes, the same idea I vote towards for any other character that has a clear distinctive difference than just a lost limb or any other missing body part, clear distinctive differences that are backed by the respective stories each character is from, "melina's glowing eye (elden ring)" for example can be just as justified as the burial_blade tag for bloodborne or the black_knife_(elden_ring) tag for elden ring, tag it as you would an object except add the character's name to distinguish it from glowing_eye

winkywonker said:

for convenience's sake, yes, the same idea I vote towards for any other character that has a clear distinctive difference than just a lost limb or any other missing body part, clear distinctive differences that are backed by the respective stories each character is from, "melina's glowing eye (elden ring)" for example can be just as justified as the burial_blade tag for bloodborne or the black_knife_(elden_ring) tag for elden ring, tag it as you would an object except add the character's name to distinguish it from glowing_eye

I don't see how it looks any different from any other blue glowing eye. The weapons, on the other hand, have a very unique shape that would make them hard to distinguish with descriptive tags, so it makes sense for them to get their own tags.

Since we're talking about eyes, let's look at the sharingan as another example. It has a unique and complex design that cannot easily be covered by other existing tags. Symbol-shaped pupils would not be enough because it covers more than just the sharingan, and that's not even including the other unique eye designs such as the byakugan or rinnegan.

winkywonker said:

for convenience's sake, yes, the same idea I vote towards for any other character that has a clear distinctive difference than just a lost limb or any other missing body part, clear distinctive differences that are backed by the respective stories each character is from, "melina's glowing eye (elden ring)" for example can be just as justified as the burial_blade tag for bloodborne or the black_knife_(elden_ring) tag for elden ring, tag it as you would an object except add the character's name to distinguish it from glowing_eye

A generic blue glowing eye is not even remotely comparable to a weapon with a unique appearance you won't find anywhere else. I'm struggling to follow how a character who is literally identical save for their normally closed eye being open is somehow more relevant of distinction than a character missing a limb. They're the same situation. They are both a character that is exactly the same save for one difference that is easily found with a single gen tag.

I really don't understand why this needs to be repeated a third time, but melina_(elden_ring) unusually_open_eyes is all it takes to find Melina with her left eye open. It's barely an inconvenience to have to add unusually_open_eyes to your search to find, literally, Melina with her normally closed eye open. That's what the tag is for. Melina does not need an extra tag for this, it's nothing but padding.

Blank_User said:

Since we're talking about eyes, let's look at the sharingan as another example. It has a unique and complex design that cannot easily be covered by other existing tags. Symbol-shaped pupils would not be enough because it covers more than just the sharingan, and that's not even including the other unique eye designs such as the byakugan or rinnegan.

which is why I suggested the tag should describe whose eye it is by adding their name to the tag, same with any other generic change that isn't as distinguished as the Naruto eyes.

blindVigil said:

I really don't understand why this needs to be repeated a third time, but melina_(elden_ring) unusually_open_eyes is all it takes to find Melina with her left eye open.

if you were paying attention I said it was for convenience's sake.

to elaborate, not every user on this site knows that they can use two tags at the same time and that could probably be because of other boorus restricting the number of tags you can search at a time unless you pay for it.

that was what I presumed when I first found this site, it took years for me to find out that I could do so on this site without having to pay $40 to do so.

convenience matters, which is why I want such searches to require only one tag instead of two.

winkywonker said:

if you were paying attention I said it was for convenience's sake.

to elaborate, not every user on this site knows that they can use two tags at the same time and that could probably be because of other boorus restricting the number of tags you can search at a time unless you pay for it.

that was what I presumed when I first found this site, it took years for me to find out that I could do so on this site without having to pay $40 to do so.

convenience matters, which is why I want such searches to require only one tag instead of two.

That convenience only lasts as long as the users remain ignorant about the fact they can use two tags, which is something I'm sure most users are able to figure out on their own eventually even if they don't read help:users.

If a large number of users can't figure this out on their own, then it's a problem of accessibility and can be fixed by making it easier to find the help pages or by informing them upfront when they create a new account. It's more sensible to make those resources more accessible before resorting to making radical changes to our tagging system.

If you think our tagging system needs to be changed on this level, you should generalize your argument in a topic dedicated to it. Outline the drawbacks of our current tagging system and explain how your proposal will change things and improve the experience for most users. Only after you get the staff on board should you try to push for more specific cases; they will be doomed to fail otherwise.

winkywonker said:

which is why I suggested the tag should describe whose eye it is by adding their name to the tag, same with any other generic change that isn't as distinguished as the Naruto eyes.

if you were paying attention I said it was for convenience's sake.

to elaborate, not every user on this site knows that they can use two tags at the same time and that could probably be because of other boorus restricting the number of tags you can search at a time unless you pay for it.

that was what I presumed when I first found this site, it took years for me to find out that I could do so on this site without having to pay $40 to do so.

convenience matters, which is why I want such searches to require only one tag instead of two.

I'm not even going to bother trying to explain how dumb this argument is. I'm just gonna say this is simply not going to happen. If you start trying to create dumb tags like "Melina's glowing eye" evazion or NNT will come in here themselves to shut it down, and they'll probably be real blunt about it. It is explicitly against our tagging policy to create tags to replace two tag searches. I was paying attention just fine, it just literally doesn't matter how concenient it is.

the contributor whose account is just over a year old gives me lengthy but sound advice and a good proposal towards going about tackling one of the many problems this site has.

meanwhile, the builder whose account is 2 years away from being 10 years old proudly displays his anti-social behaviour by throwing another fucking temper tantrum filled to brim with all the bravado & ego he can muster, again.

a clear sign that the old staff need to be filtered out and that tests should be put in place for potential users, tests that are different depending on the rank said user is eligible for, because clearly this man-child behind a screen is not eligible for any rank other then platinum or below.

@blindVigil you say "it's pointless this. it's a waste of time that." constantly when it comes to my suggestions or debates in the forums or in the comments, so how about you prove it by not wasting your precious time on my pointless ramblings and leave such idiocy to be tackled by other staff that have lower standards then your own, because you are clearly not here to do anything else but shitstir & belittle and then proceed to act like the victim when the backlash comes your way.

this discussion is over, blank user ended it soundly, thanks to the rest of you for the help, it's appreciated. feel free to lock this thread.

winkywonker said:

the contributor whose account is just over a year old gives me lengthy but sound advice and a good proposal towards going about tackling one of the many problems this site has.

meanwhile, the builder whose account is 2 years away from being 10 years old proudly displays his anti-social behaviour by throwing another fucking temper tantrum filled to brim with all the bravado & ego he can muster, again.

a clear sign that the old staff need to be filtered out and that tests should be put in place for potential users, tests that are different depending on the rank said user is eligible for, because clearly this man-child behind a screen is not eligible for any rank other then platinum or below.

@blindVigil you say "it's pointless this. it's a waste of time that." constantly when it comes to my suggestions or debates in the forums or in the comments, so how about you prove it by not wasting your precious time on my pointless ramblings and leave such idiocy to be tackled by other staff that have lower standards then your own, because you are clearly not here to do anything else but shitstir & belittle and then proceed to act like the victim when the backlash comes your way.

this discussion is over, blank user ended it soundly, thanks to the rest of you for the help, it's appreciated. feel free to lock this thread.

Bro chill lol.

岩戸鈴芽 said:

Bro chill lol.

He literally begged NNT to remove the negative record I gave him and promised he learned his lesson and would be a good boy from now on.

But here he is insulting me, as usual, for telling him the exact same thing NNT would have told him.

blindVigil shitstiring:

and the manchild strikes again, now we're taking things out of context.

I did ask NNT to remove your false accusations from my feedback and he obliged because I showed him that your accusations were wrong, otherwise, he wouldn't have removed them.

and I never promised to be a good boy, and nor will I ever be to shitstirers like you who love to start trouble instead of solving them like you're supposed to.

and yes, I admit you walk the thin line masterfully, but it looks like you're mask is finally starting to crack now that you have to face someone who can see through you like an open book.

as for assuming NNT would act as you have, NNT would've approached me the same way blank user and the rest of the staff here have, not with petty insults and crude remarks to my points, but with solutions and proposals for me to work towards, an approach I sure is very alien to a pretender like you.

winkywonker said:

and I never promised to be a good boy, and nor will I ever be to shitstirers like you who love to start trouble instead of solving them like you're supposed to.

and yes, I admit you walk the thin line masterfully, but it looks like you're mask is finally starting to crack now that you have to face someone who can see through you like an open book.

winkywonker said:

and the manchild strikes again, now we're taking things out of context.

I did ask NNT to remove your false accusations from my feedback and he obliged because I showed him that your accusations were wrong, otherwise, he wouldn't have removed them.

Wow. NNT DM'd me when he removed it, and "False accusations" isn't how he described it, lol. lmao, even. I can just share the DMs, if you want. In fact, I will.

Nonamethanks said: For the record I think it was justified at the time, especially for something as stupid as comment #2307688

Based on his account, you not only admitted to being at fault, but also promised you learned from your mistakes. And yet you continue to be vitriolic.

as for assuming NNT would act as you have, NNT would've approached me the same way blank user and the rest of the staff here have, not with petty insults and crude remarks to my points, but with solutions and proposals for me to work towards, an approach I sure is very alien to a pretender like you.

Have you ever paid attention to how NNT replies to these threads? At best, he would've said, "Don't make useless tags. We don't need unique tags for something covered by an existing gentag." At worst, he'd call the idea stupid. He's more likely to outright insult you than I am, and I didn't even insult you in this thread.

The rest of this reply was just completely unhinged. I don't speak to you any differently from how I speak to everyone else, but you're the only one that dials up the cringe to 11 in response.

winkywonker said:

*yapping*

And bro did not in fact chill out.

Edit:

but it looks like you're mask is finally starting to crack now that you have to face someone who can see through you like an open book.

Dude, really?