Horse_girl, cat_girl, and all other species of kemonomimi

Recently I've noticed a ton of posts getting tagged with Horse Girl which are just upper body and portrait pictures of Umamusume characters for example post #5941383 and post #5947198. These images clearly show the horse ears of the characters but not a tail or any other horse-y features.

Now, as it currently stands there is no clear rule on where exactly the line between Horse_girl and Horse_ears are, but I can't help but feel if every horse_ears post is also a horse_girl post then horse_ears becomes meaningless correct? We'd just use horse_girl and horse_boy instead. With this in mind I think there needs to be some clear guidelines on when they are used. Is cat_girl a canon tag, do we only use in on non-kemonomimi_mode pictures? Surely it's not only furry posts so how much horse-ness is needed? tail, nostrils, the dog girl barking at a mailman?

the x_girl and x_boy tags mostly exist for two reasons
1. filtering down characters in pics with more than like 3 people, where searching x_ears doesnt cut it anymore
2. protecting boys from girls since cat_ears 1boy will get cat girls getting railed

uma swept horse so eh on that front but the girl and boy tags are tagged when you feel like it basically (free 10000 post changes for anyone willing to do cat_girl chen)

Ears or tail by themselves should be enough to add the respective "x_girl" tag, as long as you can be reasonably sure they're real (hairbands don't count). I think it's silly that cat ears is more useful for finding cat girls than the actual cat girl tag because of some unwritten rule that both ears and tail need to be present.

thelieutenant said:
(free 10000 post changes for anyone willing to do cat_girl chen)

I was told characters didn't just automatically get the *_girl tag unless they hit enough "qualifiers" and features with Chen actually being the example character cited as often cat_ears without cat_girl unless full_body.

What a mess. There isn't a good gradient tag between cat_girl and furry so ideally I would like to have some way to search for more cat-like girls without a billion portraits of random regular idols with cat ears if the consensus is to always tag both.

From a "what would someone searching for cat_girl want to see"? I'd say it should be something like "(ears OR tail) AND it's not obvious they're fake"

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Something similar was discussed back in topic #13949 (though it was more about tagging it with no features visible but it has mention of the "two features" rule). I don't have a strong feeling about how to use the animal_girl/boy tags, I just restrict it to 2 features because it makes sense to me. Cat girl itself was briefly mentioned back in forum #189772.

Unbreakable said:

Something similar was discussed back in topic #13949 (though it was more about tagging it with no features visible but it has mention of the "two features" rule). I don't have a strong feeling about how to use the animal_girl/boy tags, I just restrict it to 2 features because it makes sense to me. Cat girl itself was briefly mentioned back in forum #189772.

Interesting do we know who was the first to suggest the 2 feature rule? Was it something that one user intuitively felt and spread around or was it from an old wiki?

Bougaiteuil said:

I agree with blindVigil, it's dumb that the "obvious" tag for finding animal girls is worthless because people don't tag it because of some rule they wouldn't even know about unless they got an angry dmail. Go to any other anime-type site and they're using some form of "catgirl" as a tag, so people will probably also think to search it here.

But then you have to question what the *_girl tag is for.
Is it even useful then?

zetsubousensei said:

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What a mess. There isn't a good gradient tag between cat_girl and furry so ideally I would like to have some way to search for more cat-like girls without a billion portraits of random regular idols with cat ears if the consensus is to always tag both.

This sounds like an good idea to find characters with cat-like behavior or attitude in a more natural fashion like Izutsumi (tho she's somewhat in between cat girl and furry), compare to the usual fanservice type. But I don't know how to name it or how well it'll work in practice, people will definitely try to slide in suggestive cat girls they found cute.

Provence said:

But then you have to question what the *_girl tag is for.
Is it even useful then?

To merge ears, tails, wings, horns etc into one tag (although there's disagreement on whether it should be any or all), and to separate real ones from fake ones.

Provence said:

But then you have to question what the *_girl tag is for.
Is it even useful then?

as viliml said. Not all horse ears post is horse girl. We have horse boy and fake ear + horse ear (eg : post #5599352). I think any kemonomimi tag should use for character we only sure is that type of animal. For example is umamusume characters as horse girl. While for characters we sure wearing headband or costume, we only tag as horse_ears + fake_animal_ears

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Bougaiteuil said:

I don't like the idea of 'merging' them as it would make it harder to find specific combinations (e.g. how to find both dog tail and cat tail in same image? It must be dog_girl cat_girl tail which is now impossible for non-premium subscribers, and that also isn't guaranteed to show both).

I believe they meant one tag could cover all those tags in a search, not that all of those tags would be aliased together.

thelieutenant said:

the x_girl and x_boy tags mostly exist for two reasons
1. filtering down characters in pics with more than like 3 people, where searching x_ears doesnt cut it anymore
2. protecting boys from girls since cat_ears 1boy will get cat girls getting railed

For these reasons, I'm of the opinion that if a character has any physical animal attributes, then they should be tagged with the relevant x_girl/x_boy tag.

As for the "two features" rule, following it is, as lieutenant outlined, actively harmful to male searches. If we arbitrarily restrict x_girl and x_boy tags to posts with two or more animal features (eg. ears and a tail), then many upper_body cat boy posts will not show up when searching for cat_boy. Users who know about this clause would be forced to search for 1boy cat_ears upper_body as well, and users who don't know about it the clause will simply miss out on said posts. The same rings true for cat_girl, though it's much less pressing of an issue as cat_ears on its own is essentially a de facto female search.

So if we mostly agree that only one feature is. Enough would anyone care if the wiki was edited to something like:

"Bipedal girls with one or more horse features, such as horse ears, a horse tail, or any other horse elements."