Yeah my bad I found it, "she self-identifies as a woman" as they put it, but also constantly referred to as a "son". The wiki pages for 1boy and 1girl don't clarify if they are for biological sex or anything else.
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Wicloz said:
Yeah my bad I found it, "she self-identifies as a woman" as they put it, but also constantly referred to as a "son". The wiki pages for 1boy and 1girl don't clarify if they are for biological sex or anything else.
It also twice explicitly says "she was raised as a daughter".
punished_K said:
It also twice explicitly says "she was raised as a daughter".
That has nothing to do with Bridget's gender identity. Otherwise, Fujinami Ryuunosuke would identify as a boy. Emphasizing this will only give the deniers more openings and spark grooming accusations.
Of course, even if Bridget's parents did "groom" her to be trans, it doesn't change anything relevant to the BUR. It doesn't matter whether the justification is good or bad; the creators on both sides of the Pacific have spoken. It is what it is.
Can we stop discussing Bridget's gender identity for 5 minutes and just keep the status quo or actually propose anything to tag it that doesn't break otoko no ko tagging for all other femboy character or involve 20 clauses regarding upload date, game, sfw status and genitalia visibility?
TrueKringe said:
Man, when will this bullshittery saga will end.
It's Poison all over again.
Poison is a different level of company acknowledgement, however any debate to her status as newhalf (shemale) was put to rest 12 years ago (video linked on wiki page, too).
You would have to be willfully ignorant to have any debate.
Mexiguy said:
Can we stop discussing Bridget's gender identity for 5 minutes and just keep the status quo or actually propose anything to tag it that doesn't break otoko no ko tagging for all other femboy character or involve 20 clauses regarding upload date, game, sfw status and genitalia visibility?
Strive!Bridget should default to female tags unless evidence exists the artist drew her male.
Fact remains that Strive changed the gender to female.
And we have existing characters with male genitalia (penis, no pussy) that are tagged as female.
I mean, fuck. There's users here who are so deeply bigoted they tag Natalie Mars as "male".
punished_K said:
And we have existing characters with male genitalia (penis, no pussy) that are tagged as female.I mean, fuck. There's users here who are so deeply bigoted they tag Natalie Mars as "male".
We shouldn't unless they have tits what posts are you talking about? Futanari is one of the most blacklisted tags on the site and if there arent any breasts then it's genderswap_(ftm). I don't know who the character in that post you linked is but that is two people engaging sex who are physically male so 2boys.
We've always done this even for characters like post #3333811 who we normally tag as 1girl
Mexiguy said:
Can we stop discussing Bridget's gender identity for 5 minutes and just keep the status quo or actually propose anything to tag it that doesn't break otoko no ko tagging for all other femboy character or involve 20 clauses regarding upload date, game, sfw status and genitalia visibility?
Agree 100% with this. I'll summarize my proposal from forum #273958 (with a bit of refining):
Most otoko no ko characters should not be affected by this. This would mainly just affect Strive Bridget because of her unique status as a canonically trans girl who was a fairly well-known otoko no ko for years. Most of the others still identify as boys and are unlikely to be referred to as girls unironically.
Alternatively, we could do all of the above, but default to 1boy instead of 1other. This would probably be the better option, at least in the beginning. The only real change from the status quo would be that taggers will be allowed to consider a few additional factors. We'll likely end up with 1girl on a few more posts from Western artists as a result, but the majority of Bridget posts would not change. Keeping the default as 1boy instead of 1other also means we don't have to argue about whether the 1boy/1girl posts should be tagged with genderswap (otm) or genderswap (otf) (which sounds like it would be a mess to be honest.)
Damian0358 said:
In a Arc Sys newsletter interview back in 2002, Ishiwatari said this in regards to Testament's gender: "They're androgynous. In fact, they've transcended human existence. Just like me." (「両性具有なんです。まぁもう人間を超越した存在になっちゃってますしね。俺もだけど。」), and Japanese players had long-since accepted that Testament was in a literal sense non-binary, because they were no longer just a man after becoming a Gear.
If testament was a man in the first place, then got remade into a neither-species I think he should be tagged as a male cus that was his original/true state/form/personality.
Not entirely logical but neither is the idea in the first place. :BlobDerp:
zetsubousensei said:
We shouldn't unless they have tits what posts are you talking about? Futanari is one of the most blacklisted tags on the site and if there arent any breasts then it's genderswap_(ftm). I don't know who the character in that post you linked is but that is two people engaging sex who are physically male so 2boys.
We've always done this even for characters like post #3333811 who we normally tag as 1girl
Same way presence of pussy doesn't affect cuntboy tags from being gendered male.
Bionicman76 said:
If testament was a man in the first place, then got remade into a neither-species I think he should be tagged as a male cus that was his original/true state/form/personality.
Not entirely logical but neither is the idea in the first place. :BlobDerp:
A physical sex change is enough to qualify for a different gender tag. Rimuru Tempest, for example, is tagged 1other despite their past life being male. And Saotome Ranma's girl form is always tagged 1girl despite Ranma consistently identifying as male in both forms. If Testament is canonically male, then the closest thing to your suggestion we could do is 1other with genderswap (mto), but we don't have such a genderswap tag.
Of course, this argument only holds water if Testament actually used to be male in canon, and it seems to me that people assuming the character is male 20 years ago could have been doing so due to less awareness about intersex and non-binary topics during those times. Is there any evidence in canon for Testament originally being male?
Blank_User said:
Is there any evidence in canon for Testament originally being male?
If Google Translate isn't lying to me, Kliff (Testament's dad) calls Testament his son (息子) in his Guilty Gear Ending
However, this doesn't change the fact that the Testament the viewer knows (or should have known for non-japanese viewers) and sees has always been agender due to the Gear conversion.
morriganaensland said:
If Google Translate isn't lying to me, Kliff (Testament's dad) calls Testament his son (息子) in his Guilty Gear Ending
However, this doesn't change the fact that the Testament the viewer knows (or should have known for non-japanese viewers) and sees has always been agender due to the Gear conversion.
Good enough for me. And I agree this shouldn't affect the tagging.
Rhape said:
I'm not about to let a character so important to otokonoko as a subculture have fucking otokonoko removed from his or her tags. Like, come on. Most of the shit the art gets sourced from on pixiv INCLUDING STRIVE BRIDGET is tagged otokonoko.
1. Strive Bridget is a girl. Pre-Strive Bridget is not.
2. She can be female in SFW posts, and NSFW posts can be yaoi if it's explicit that the artist is drawing male.
3. Pixiv tags are not infallible. Many artists add "Original" to copyright works.
albert03 said:
I think you should first worry about improving your upload quality and deletion rate rather than argue on every single bridget related forum post. Maybe go outdoors every once in a while too.
Ah yes, nothing like attacking a member's contributions when you can't attack the argument.
DanbooruBot said:
This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.
Good outcome.
I previously stated in this thread they'll keep requesting this BUR until the vote is in their favor. I recommend locking this decision in place and prohibiting further BURs of this discussion, because you're dealing with people who don't like "no" for an answer. They'll keep pushing and pressuring this until you lose interest or get tired of it and just agree to change stuff for them.
What made Bridget work in the first place is that he IS a BOY. These people do not understand making Bridget a girl ruins the cultural appeal to him. And it saddens me we live in such a society while Japan still consistently calls him an otokonoko(femboy) to this very day with no drama over there.
It's like Japan appreciates feminine men and doesn't want them to change, while America and the majority of the English speaking sphere thinks they should transition into girls...