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I think cum_on_tongue and cum_in_mouth may be two different visuals. I suspect the intended depiction for cum_on_tongue was likely images in which the character was extending out their tongue and the cum was on it or being put on it. Cum_in_mouth of course being in the mouth. That's just my thoughts on the two tags. Users may be able to get mostly what they're looking for by doing a cum_in_mouth tongue search.
It seems that support is not present yet for converting cum to semen. Paraphrasing the main objection, a stupid but comprehensive colloquial tag is preferable to a specific but medically incorrect (or incomplete) tag. I could go either way but I find this reasoning convincing enough, especially when we'd need an opposing argument good enough to overcome the status quo. (Sorry 0xC, though I am sympathetic to the idea, not being a particular fan of "cum" myself.)
I agree, in principle, with the following from the top post:
Agree:
cum_on_stockings->cum_on_clothes
cum_on_pantyhose
cum_on_socks
cum_on_thighhighs
cum_on_shoes
cum_on_buruma
cum_on_swimsuit
cum_on_hat
cum_on_panties
Agree:
cum_on_hips->cum_on_lower_body->(implicate)cum_on_body
cum_on_leg
cum_on_thighs
cum_on_feet
Agree:
cum_on_ear->cum_on_upper_body->(implicate)cum_on_body
cum_on_arm
cum_on_arms
cum_on_armpit
cum_on_chest
cum_on_hands
cum_on_back
cum_on_belly
Could leave in use:
cum_on_breasts
Could put under cum_on_clothes:
cum_inside_thighhigh
cum_under_clothes
Could put in cum_on_lower_body:
cum_on_pussy
cum_on_ass
Could remove:
cum_on_bed
cum_on_boy
cum_on_glasses
cum_on_floor
cum_in_eye
cum_in_nose
cum_in_ear
???:
cum_on_tongue
cum_in_mouth
cum_on_food
cum_on_hair
Did I miss anything?
jxh2154 said:
???:
cum_on_tongue
cum_in_mouth
cum_on_food
cum_on_hairDid I miss anything?
See list in next post and refer back for reasons why
The "Could:" lists you made look good.
Edit:On second thought, I think cum_on_pussy and cum_on_ass should stay, simply because they're sexual organs(ehh ass well...), similar to why cum_on_breasts is being kept. Do implicate both to cum and cum_on_lower_body though if you decide to not alias them...but if you really want to get rid of them I guess go ahead.
Also implicate cum_on_breasts to cum_on_upper_body.
Don't forgot to make sure to implicate, cum_on_body, cum_on_clothes,
For these four ?s,
cum_on_tongue ->(alias) cum_in_mouth
As NFW said, users can search cum_in_mouth +tongue; HOWEVER, be sure to implicate cum_on_tongue to tongue before aliasing (they'd keep the tongue tag right?), since I noticed not all have tongue
cum_on_food
I kinda think this tag is a little humorous so so I thought it was worth keeping, but delete it if you want :p
cum_on_hair
Thought it may be worth keeping, like cum_on_breasts. If you don't want to, I guess it can go with cum_on_upper_body
Other than that, cum_trail->(alias)cum_string->(implicate)cum was the only thing you didn't mention, I just though I'd throw it up there since it's kinda related and they're the same thing (in almost all the pics I looked in)
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-> = Alias unless otherwise specified by IMP for implicate
Agree:
cum_on_stockings->cum_on_clothes
cum_on_pantyhose
cum_on_socks
cum_on_thighhighs
cum_on_shoes
cum_on_buruma
cum_on_swimsuit
cum_on_hat
cum_on_panties
cum_inside_thighhigh
cum_under_clothes
Agree:
cum_on_hips->cum_on_lower_body->(IMP)cum_on_body
cum_on_leg
cum_on_thighs
cum_on_feet
Agree:
cum_on_ear->cum_on_upper_body->(IMP)cum_on_body
cum_on_arm
cum_on_arms
cum_on_armpit
cum_on_chest
cum_on_hands
cum_on_back
cum_on_belly
Other:
cum_on_body->(IMP)cum
cum_on_clothes->(IMP)cum
cum_on_tongue->cum_in_mouth->(IMP)cum
(unrelated but get this out of the way now I guess...)cum_trail->cum_string->(IMP)cum
Leave in use:
cum_on_breasts->(IMP)cum_on_upper_body
*Next 3 worth keeping imo*
cum_on_hair->(IMP)cum_on_upper_body
cum_on_ass->(IMP)cum_on_lower_body
cum_on_pussy->"
Could remove:
cum_on_bed
cum_on_boy
cum_on_glasses
cum_on_floor
cum_in_eye
cum_in_nose
cum_in_ear
???:
cum_on_food: I feel it's humorous and worth keeping, otherwise your choice
cum_in_eye should definitely be kept. The pictures that have it deserve it. For instance, post #383620, post #457147, post #468571, etc. I don't think facial is sufficient to truly capture those.
cum_in_nose should potentially be kept. nosejob serves a similar purpose, but doesn't indicate whether or not there is cum in the nose. There are also cases where cum_in_nose applies where nosejob does not, like post #317748
In the interests of not letting this disappear, I've submitted one batch that seems safe to commit right now:
cum_on_stockings->cum_on_clothes
cum_on_pantyhose
cum_on_socks
cum_on_thighhighs
cum_on_shoes
cum_on_buruma
cum_on_swimsuit
cum_on_hat
cum_on_panties
cum_inside_thighhigh
cum_under_clothes
These have all been done.
First post updated with changes done and remaining changes that need to be done.
I know that's a hella'lot of, but they're needed for detail purposes. Also, we should have implicated some of the cum_on_clothes tags like cum_on_thighhighs->thighhighs but I guess it's too late for that XD
If only we could search tag changes by the tag changed...
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Godel said: I know that's a hella'lot of, but they're needed for detail purposes. Also, we should have implicated some of the cum_on_clothes tags like cum_on_thighhighs->thighhighs but I guess it's too late for that XD
The point is to get rid of as many as possible, thus alias, not implicate. We want the tags to have never existed, aliasing is just a bit more convenient than deleting. None of the ones I aliased had a lot of posts anyway.
I'll look at the next batch tomorrow, too late tonight.
jxh2154 said:
The point is to get rid of as many as possible, thus alias, not implicate. We want the tags to have never existed, aliasing is just a bit more convenient than deleting. None of the ones I aliased had a lot of posts anyway.I'll look at the next batch tomorrow, too late tonight.
It's just to preserve accuracy on newly tagged images. It won't do if a ton of images loose a cum_on_* tag and don't have cum left on it
Godel said:
It's just to preserve accuracy on newly tagged images. It won't do if a ton of images loose a cum_on_* tag and don't have cum left on it
*lose. And I honestly don't see how aliasing cum_on_* to any other cum_on_* would lose that. Do you mean to say that cum_on_clothes and friends ain't aliased to cum? (God, I hate that word)
葉月 said:
*lose. And I honestly don't see how aliasing cum_on_* to any other cum_on_* would lose that. Do you mean to say that cum_on_clothes and friends ain't aliased to cum? (God, I hate that word)
Oops, tend to throw extra Os into my lose often for some reason XD
Here's a list of the whole thing, what's bolded will in essence no longer exist (deleted or aliased) after it's all done. Unbolded is either undecided (only 2 of those, cum on food and boy), or is remaining to be what everything else aliases to, except a few exceptions we wanted to keep:
cum_on_hips
cum_on_leg
cum_on_thighs
cum_on_feet
cum_on_ear
cum_on_arm
cum_on_arms
cum_on_armpit
cum_on_chest
cum_on_hands
cum_on_back
cum_in_eye
cum_on_glasses
cum_on_tongue
cum_on_lower_body
cum_on_upper_body
cum_on_body
cum_on_clothes
cum_on_breasts
cum_on_pussy
cum_on_ass
cum_on_hair
facial
cum_on_floor
cum_on_bed
cum_in_ear
cum_on_armpit
cum_in_nose
cum_in_ear
cum_on_bed
cum_on_floor
cum_on_food
cum_on_boy
cum_on_belly
cum_on_stockings
cum_on_pantyhose
cum_on_socks
cum_on_thighhighs
cum_on_shoes
cum_on_buruma
cum_on_swimsuit
cum_on_hat
cum_on_panties
cum_inside_thighhigh
cum_under_clothes
So with most of these gone, few cum* tags actually exist, cum_inside, cum_in_ass, and cum_in_mouth. Quite good progress to go from about 50 tags to 10, while they still are accurate anyways (though maybe less detailed)
The implications are just to prevent having to retag images with cum* and not cum with it, for example, when cum_on_bed is completely removed, it's not aliased to something that gives ends up at ->cum, so if they're not properly tagged before the aliasing/deletion, they'll completely lose this association with cum, and will end up being found later and retagged anyways.
cum_on_bed was probably a bad example, since all 9 of those already have cum on them, but you get what I'm talking about right?
And yeah, I know you hate the word cum, it's not my favorite either, but the mini pro/con list I made shows how it's more useful in general.
Just did the following, plus some singulars and plurals that hit conflicts with existing aliases:
cum_on_hips->cum_on_lower_body->(IMP)cum_on_body
cum_on_leg
cum_on_thighs
cum_on_feet
cum_on_ear->cum_on_upper_body->(IMP)cum_on_body
cum_on_arm
cum_on_arms
cum_on_armpit
cum_on_chest
cum_on_hands
cum_on_back
cum_on_belly
cum_on_body->(IMP)cum
cum_on_clothes->(IMP)cum
cum_on_tongue->cum_in_mouth->(IMP)cum
cum_trail->cum_string->(IMP)cum
cum_on_breasts->(IMP)cum_on_upper_body
Really hoping I aliased all my aliases and implicated all my implications and didn't get anything backwards. =P
I've nuked:
cum_on_bed
cum_on_glasses
cum_on_floor
cum_in_nose
cum_in_ear
Godel said: The implications are just to prevent having to retag images with cum* and not cum with it, for example, when cum_on_bed is completely removed, it's not aliased to something that gives ends up at ->cum, so if they're not properly tagged before the aliasing/deletion, they'll completely lose this association with cum, and will end up being found later and retagged anyways.
I see what you mean but there were maybe 5, total, in the removed tags that didn't have cum already. I just added them manually before nuking the tags so we're set there.
I think the only tags that remain to be dealt with are:
cum_on_hair->(IMP)cum_on_upper_body
cum_on_ass->(IMP)cum_on_lower_body
cum_on_pussy->"
I guess the only question I'm waiting on is if we keep those three tags. I suppose it wouldn't hurt, as they're a lot more, um, distinct and relevant than most of the others. I guess.
cum_on_boy
cum_in_eye
cum_on_food
Personally I don't think we need _on_boy or _on_food but I haven't done anything with them yet. Which I hear what john1980 is saying about _in_eye, it probably doesn't get enough posts for facial to be insufficient, honestly. And I included _in_nose in the nuke list because again, very very few posts and the distinction would affect even fewer.
And I'm feeling a little nauseous right now so I'm going to go take a break from all this. Such torrents of cum...
We can get rid of the on_boy one. If they're tagged also with cum_on_body or cum_on_clothes then one could simply do something like a cum_on_body yaoi or cum_on_body futa_on_male search.
jxh2154 said:
Personally I don't think we need _on_boy or _on_food but I haven't done anything with them yet.
cum_on_boy is a pretty specific fetish, it might warrant its own tag still. Though cum_on_body shota might do the trick, I dunno. As for cum_on_food, I see no way to replace it, so that would be a pure information loss.
葉月 said: cum_on_boy is a pretty specific fetish, it might warrant its own tag still. Though cum_on_body shota might do the trick, I dunno. As for cum_on_food, I see no way to replace it, so that would be a pure information loss.
They're all pretty specific fetishes, though, and all the aliases include a loss of information. The question is if we care, and the fact that we've killed a couple dozen tags indicates not really. Information loss isn't always bad, not when the information wasn't really wanted in the first place. Else we'd never be allowed to remove a tag, no matter how inane.
You have to also consider the salience of the information loss. For example, cum_on_thighs is something not particularly salient when it comes to cum. Where "cum" exists it is common and not particularly noteworthy. Very likely most posts that fit the definition weren't tagged with it, since it is pretty much included within "cum"'s general definition and usage.
On the other hand tags like cum_on_food while perhaps disgusting, are salient as they are definitely not common, and are noteworthy.
Another way to think about it is to ask if it is a tag that one could use to easily identify a particular post. If it is, it's probably not something that should be deleted without a good reason.
Again, I'm not sure why I'm defending these tags, except that in general I would say information loss *is* almost always bad. By deleting and aliasing most of these tags, we're deleting noise, but salient tags are useful and we should be careful when deleting them.
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Shinjidude said: Another way to think about it is to ask if it is a tag that one could use to easily identify a particular post. If it is, it's probably not something that should be deleted without a good reason.
I don't think this argument is as strong when it comes to combination tags though. Food, yes. Cum, yes. But cum_on_food? People can just search cum and food and find them it themselves. There's nothing wrong with that. Combination tags should be used when a search of the two tags together brings far, far more images than can be weeded through manually (not the case here) and when the joint concept itself is well established as a single unit of thought.
Otherwise what's to say cum_on_food is much more significant than cum_on_painting or cum_on_car or cum_on_book? Or book_in_bowl or panties_on_statue or... you get the point. If cum_on_food were an exceptionally well established tag it'd seem more convincing, perhaps, but instead it just looks like someone figured "I like food and I like cum so let's put them together!" and only two dozen images ever used it and well... I'm not seeing it, I guess. It doesn't seem to pass the test to justify a combo tag.
jxh2154 said:
People can just search cum and food and find them it themselves.
Yeah, I figured that was the case with cum in ear (earjob + cum)
Anyways, anyways, all cum_on_food tags now have cum+food, so the tag may be nuked I guess ^_^
Also, there's quite a few tags with cum and food together, they're just not marked cum_on_food
But yeah
I guess a handful of the implications (mostly the ones being deleted) would just as easily be done manually
Great job sofar, lets hope we don't get a million threads stating "What happend to cum_on_armpit?" and such XD
Btw, if you cut/paste what's been done on my post (you can edit my post right? permission granted if you wanted to ask first) to the Done section, it would be helpful for us to see what's left, if anything
I still don't get what cum on upper body & cum on lower body is supposed to gain us. It's too vague to be of practical use for odd fetishes (hips, for example), too redundant for the more popular fetishes (breasts), and in a good number of situations probably increased the overall number of cum tags on a particular post. For instance, there's now 437 posts (cum_on_upper_body cum_on_lower_body) that have three tags where one (body) should suffice.
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Lokispawn said:
I still don't get what cum on upper body & cum on lower body is supposed to gain us. It's too vague to be of practical use for odd fetishes (hips, for example), too redundant for the more popular fetishes (breasts), and in a good number of situations probably increased the overall number of cum tags on a particular post. For instance, there's now 437 posts (cum_on_upper_body cum_on_lower_body) that have three tags where one (body) should suffice.
That's the thing, most of us will argue that danbooru isn't explicitally a porn site, so such fettish things aren't needed, and such tags aren't wanted.
The reason we're doing this isn't to make things more specific or anything, it's to BANISH them.
The goal wasn't to reduce the number of cum tags per post, it was to reduce the number of cum tags in general.
And what's wrong with having upper and lower body in same post? Cum_on_upper_body is not only used if and only if there isn't any on lower body, and the opposite applies as well. There's no invisible barrier that appears when cum is on one half of the body that prevents it from getting to another half. A lot of these pics would have rightfully been tagged with cum_on_20places, it's good that they now only have 5-6 maxium now
And your argument isn't really annoying yet. There will be (many^many)^many similar bitchings about how their fetishes can no longer be as easily found. I guess time to make good and PRACTICAL use of favorites list, rather than just adding images one won't look twice at.
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