rename mikeneko_(utaite) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)

BUR #22770 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias mikeneko_(utaite) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
remove alias mikeneko_(utaite) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
mass update mikeneko_(utaite) indie_utaite -> -indie_utaite indie_virtual_youtuber
mass update mikeneko_(utaite) utaite -> -utaite

Update for people who downvoted without reading the whole thread: She was never even an utaite from the start but a streamer that occasionally covers songs. We're talking about 5 covers in 6 years. Either way this new pink-haired avatar is a new thing and has nothing to do with her old utaite activities. Go justify a indie streamer if you want but she has nothing to do with the utaite tags.

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What is the point of this qualifier if almost if not every post of her dates after her vtuber debut. Her utaite information is buried and diluted with the new vtuber stuff so please correct me if I'm wrong, but from a quick search her current avatar is entirely bond to her vtuber activities and never seen in her utaite times, it's hard to tell if she even had any consistent avatar as a utaite.

Downvoted, as you haven't actually dug deep enough to notice the fact that mikeneko_(utaite) indie_utaite contains a design for Mikeneko that does not correspond with any of her VTuber avatars. such as post #5373659, post #5517306, and post #5900950, which I can only surmise is Mikeneko's modern utaite design.

Damian0358 said:

Downvoted, as you haven't actually dug deep enough to notice the fact that mikeneko_(utaite) indie_utaite contains a design for Mikeneko that does not correspond with any of her VTuber avatars. such as post #5373659, post #5517306, and post #5900950, which I can only surmise is Mikeneko's modern utaite design.

I didn't want to put too much time writing trivia about vtubers that I don't care about, but wow did you just made that assumption up the same way you said I did. Here are some research that you want. The design you said to be her "modern utaite avater" is found on old icons of her new youtube channel and on some old streams before her vtuber models were released. They're called "old" in comparison to her vtuber activities, but none of them reaches any further back than 2022, far from her last utaite activity in 2017. They all fall within the range of February 2022, the creation of her new youtube channel/revival of her old twitcasting, and April 2022, when she debuted as a vtuber. Which would indicate that it's used as some sort placeholder beta avatar while she waits for her official debut. Notably, the placeholder has the same hairstyle as her first vtuber module, too.

For a little context, Mikeneko is not even a full-on utaite, surprise~, she is a streamer that occasionally posts song covers, with a total of 5 covers through out her 6 years of so-called utaite activity. Anyone that uploads covers automatically receives the utaite title, for simplicity's sake. This is her actual avatar as a utaite, if that's even an avatar, used as the icon of her cover channels. It can also be seen that some of her even older streams from 2019 hosted yet another different looking black-haired girl.
I have no problem with people pointing at my mistakes but will you please do the research that you said I didn't do first.

In short, we can either name it Mikeneko (streamer) or Mikeneko (old design) and treat it as a costume of her vtuber persona since it's probably the same body. Or someone go justify the creation of a indie streamer and treat her like a different person.

magcolo said:

I have no problem with people pointing at my mistakes but will you please do the research that you said I didn't do first.

I appreciate the effort you put in to correct my own mistake, but you still haven't addressed the main issue, which is the fact that whatever that design is, it's not a VTuber design (and there's nothing suggesting that it's some sort of placeholder beta avatar either, but let's not stress on that point, given how often Mikeneko has changed her online appearance since 2022, whether VTuber-related or not). Your proposed BUR would remove the only way that design can be searched, so on that basis alone I oppose it.

magcolo said:

In short, we can either name it Mikeneko (streamer) or Mikeneko (old design) and treat it as a costume of her vtuber persona since it's probably the same body. Or someone go justify the creation of a indie streamer and treat her like a different person.

Ah, you updated right as I was writing my post. We've had suggestions for an indie streamer in the past before, though I feel like lots of folks would be iffy on that (but that also means you could probably just get away with original in that case), but yeah, having something that allows you to search for that design would change my downvote to an upvote.

Damian0358 said:

[...](and there's nothing suggesting that it's some sort of placeholder beta avatar either, but let's not stress on that point, given how often Mikeneko has changed her online appearance since 2022, whether VTuber-related or not).

I said that in a sense that it's seemly used as a transitional avatar to fill in the gaps while she posts contents before officially debuting as vtuber, so that she has something to work with. That costume is seen returning on a few stream after the debut but I don't have the membership to view them. Personally I have no problem treating it as a costume of her vtuber persona for the moment, as mentioned they do look like the same persona. With the little things we know it's not worth it to spend too much time stuck on it.

Damian0358 said:

Your proposed BUR would remove the only way that design can be searched, so on that basis alone I oppose it.

Ah, you updated right as I was writing my post. We've had suggestions for an indie streamer in the past before, though I feel like lots of folks would be iffy on that (but that also means you could probably just get away with original in that case), but yeah, having something that allows you to search for that design would change my downvote to an upvote.

The reason I made this BUR was because I was planning on tagging her costumes since she doesn't have too many posts yet. Then I noticed the funny qualifier. I thought I'd make the request first so I can start using the "vtuber" qualifier for the costume tags right away. Streamer or vtuber, it has nothing to do with utaite, that's the main purpose. I'll start with the streamer costume first. Should it be considered an "old design" or counted towards the number system?

BUR #22773 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication mikeneko_(vtuber)_(old_design) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
create implication mikeneko_(vtuber)_(1st_costume) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
create implication mikeneko_(vtuber)_(2nd_costume) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
create implication mikeneko_(vtuber)_(3rd_costume) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)
create implication mikeneko_(vtuber)_(4th_costume) -> mikeneko_(vtuber)

I'm done tagging everything.

magcolo said:

The reason I made this BUR was because I was planning on tagging her costumes since she doesn't have too many posts yet. Then I noticed the funny qualifier. I thought I'd make the request first so I can start using the "vtuber" qualifier for the costume tags right away. Streamer or vtuber, it has nothing to do with utaite, that's the main purpose. I'll start with the streamer costume first. Should it be considered an "old design" or counted towards the number system?

I think (old design) is well enough, given that while she didn't immediately retire the design, it correspondingly isn't the main design she uses to depict herself online these days, as she uses her current VTuber model for Koito Ria as an example (and you mainly see that older design represented by specific fans/artists). Changed my vote for the OG BUR.

The bulk update request #22770 (forum #266663) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #22773 (forum #266690) has been approved by @nonamethanks.