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chibi_only implications

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ElGranFracaso

I created the chibi_only tag to be able to filter posts by artists (like hisahiko, for example) who draw a lot of chibi only art but also draw art that includes both chibis and normally-proportioned characters. Not having this tag makes it hard to filter out posts that are just chibis while keeping the ones that have normals amongst the chibis. (For hisahiko, using '-comic' helps some, but not a lot, and that won't hold true for all such artists.) So yes, I made the tag and started populating it, but I've yet to make it through even 1% of the chibi posts.

Along the way, I noticed that we also have an (extremely under-utilized) deformed tag. If the consensus is to nuke chibi_only, we might well to decide how much we care about the difference between deformed and super deformed (i.e., chibi, per the wiki). The former has less than 700 posts to the latter's 185K, and it appears that most posts that could take deformed just get chibi instead.

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Admiral Pectoral

ElGranFracaso said:

BUR #22520 has been rejected.

create alias deformed -> chibi

When deformed is considered for tagging at all, it's mostly mistagged as chibi anyway.

We already discussed this in topic #23888

Underutilized doesn't mean it should be rendered unsearchable. It is a recognizable style.
post #7102990 is not the same as this post #6990113

If we can't have a tag for this then we should at least make it a pool or something, but for now I think it just needs a better name than deformed, and perhaps an implication to chibi.

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ElGranFracaso

Admiral_Pectoral said:

We already discussed this in topic #23888

Underutilized doesn't mean it should be rendered unsearchable. It is a recognizable style.
post #7102990 is not the same as this post #6990113

If we can't have a tag for this then we should at least make it a pool or something, but for now I think it just needs a better name than deformed, and perhaps an implication to chibi.

I'll need to go read over that prior topic, then. In any case, I fully agree that underutilization should not mean we just throw away a useful tag, and those are perfect example posts to show why deformed is a useful tag to differentiate from chibi.

I've been trying to go through chibi to add chibi _only or chibi inset or swap for deformed as appropriate. Given the vague definition of deformed, though, I've had to come up with a rough rule of thumb based on how many heads tall the body is, and until we've got a more clear-cut definition, there's likely to be some disagreement over which tag applies where.

KagayakuShiningGate said:

Honestly, I do think that chibi_only is a solid concept (though maybe something akin to normal_proportions_and_chibi, as in the opposite, would be more useful for searches). There are posts like post #6276890, post #5975664 or post #5554425 that feature both chibis and non-chibis, but in a way you can't call an "inset", the chibis are as much part of the "world" as the normal-sized characters.

I'm fine with having a tag like chibi and non-chibi instead of chibi only if it provides the same kind of search functionality. If (x+z)=(x-y), either (y) or (z) will serve for this purpose. We could even have both.

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ElGranFracaso

Okay, I've read topic #23888. To pick up where it left off:

@nonamethanks said:

How do you define when something is semi-chibi vs chibi?

The same way you define breast sizes and decade art styles — with broadly applicable measurements and clear examples.

@nonamethanks said:

Most importantly, how do you make sure everyone understands the difference?

Pick a good tag name, write a clear wiki, teach people how to tag, call out misuse, and bring it back for review if it isn't working. That's the process as I understand it.
The tag name is probably the most crucial, as it's the only thing that you can count on everyone who is actually tagging posts to be reading.

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nonamethanks

I'm fine with trying out chibi only, it seems like a useful tag because often chibis appear mixed with normal-sized characters or as insets.

ElGranFracaso said:

Okay, I've read topic #23888. To pick up where it left off:

The same way you define breast sizes and decade art styles — with broadly applicable measurements and clear examples.

Yeah, except nobody reads wikis so deformed/semi-chibi will stay a tag full of random things that range from post #7111104 to post #7099295, making it just a smaller chibi tag.

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magcolo

Can we also use this opportunity to discuss this part of the chibi inset wiki?

[…] but to qualify for the tag, they should not interact with the foreground characters directly. If they do, use chibi instead.

This rule is definitely not followed at the time. One of the reasons why chibi only isn't useful mentioned above is the existence of chibi -chibi_inset, but if that statement stays true, this argument isn't valid anymore. As it would exclude a good chunk of what is currently tagged chibi inset.

I'd also like to question the validity of this rule in the first place. As mentioned above it is against what the general public considers a chibi inset and it seems logical to be able to group posts featuring character of both chibi and regular proportions, whether they're interacting or not. If not this tag loses at least half of its purpose.

Either we remove this clause or a new tag is needed to cover instances of interactive chibi insets.

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