[Honkai: Star Rail] Costume implications

BUR #21534 has been rejected.

mass update numby_(honkai:_star_rail) warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -> -warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
rename warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -> warp_trotter_(generic)_(honkai:_star_rail)

As suggested by evazion

I don't think the point should be to make a separation between Numby and generic Warp Trotters as much as just to tag all warp trotters as what they are, including Numby. Separating them like this feels like not tagging a specific named Pokemon with its Pokemon species, which is strange to me.

I don't see a problem with this; it does nothing but improve searching. We take a similar stance in not tagging named Splatoon characters as Octolings or Inklings, since searches for the player characters would be impossible otherwise.

I dunno about Splatoon, but I guess there are many named Octolings. Here in both cases you end up with having to do a two tag search. If you want all art of wrap trotters, you'll need a two tag search instead of one if Numby isn't tagged as a Warp Trotter. And the other way around - if Numby is tagged as a Warp Trotter, you need a two tag search for non-Numby trotters. So it's really just down to what seems more logical, and to me it doesn't seem as logical not to tag a named-X as an X.

Astolfo said:

I dunno about Splatoon, but I guess there are many named Octolings. Here in both cases you end up with having to do a two tag search. If you want all art of wrap trotters, you'll need a two tag search instead of one if Numby isn't tagged as a Warp Trotter. And the other way around - if Numby is tagged as a Warp Trotter, you need a two tag search for non-Numby trotters. So it's really just down to what seems more logical, and to me it doesn't seem as logical not to tag a named-X as an X.

I mostly agree with this tbh. It'd be like not tagging named dogs or cats with dog or cat. Doesn't make sense to me.

Also octarian would be the proper example for Splatoon. It's applied to both player characters and named characters, because they're all octarians. In this case the warp trotter chartag is also the tag for the species.

BUR #21592 has been rejected.

mass update warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -numby_(honkai:_star_rail) -> char:warp_trotter_(generic)_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication warp_trotter_(generic)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication numby_(honkai:_star_rail) -> warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)

This seems to be the most logical solution to me. We do something similar with titan (shingeki no kyojin) vs titan (generic) (shingeki no kyojin).

I don't know about the implication; someone could draw a human Numby.

A yet another aspect is that warp trotters are not the only type of trotters, even if we completely ignore Numby. There are two main types of trotters - warp trotters and sequence trotters. Sequence trotters currently have no tag, but they differ from warp ones in color (and some gameplay aspects but that's irrelevant).

The actual umbrella if anything should be "Trotter", with three tags (so far) implicating it - Numby, Warp Trotter, and Sequence Trotter.

AngryZapdos said:

I don't know about the implication; someone could draw a human Numby.

Talulah brought that up in the previous page and I agree: would a personification of Numby be desirable to find in a warp trotter + personification search? I think that yes.

BUR #21627 has failed.

rename warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -> trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication numby_(honkai:_star_rail) -> trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
mass update favgroup:28520 -> char:sequence_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
mass update favgroup:28521 -> char:warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication sequence_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -> trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)
create implication warp_trotter_(honkai:_star_rail) -> trotter_(honkai:_star_rail)

My proposition. It turns the current "warp trotter" tag into a more accurate Trotter species kind, with the two subtypes getting their own tags and implying that tag (along with Numby).

Alternatively, we could also imply Numby to specifically the warp trotter tag, as it's technically a part of that subtype (the game specifically calls it a warp trotter, and it's gold in color)... but I do not like this option much.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #20561 (forum #257260) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

BUR #21841 has been rejected.

remove implication dan_feng_(honkai:_star_rail) -> dan_heng_(imbibitor_lunae)_(honkai:_star_rail)

It's been half a year since this implication, but I cannot agree to it. Whether Dan Feng and Dan Heng are the same person or not is very debatable, even in-story - in the main story, DH claims that he is not DF and asks Jing Yuan to stop calling him that, but in the animated short, he agrees that he is, in fact, DF after all.

Most fanart on Danbooru that features both also treats them as separate characters rather than dual persona, like post #6956674.

Additionally, it just adds pointless bloat - does post #6988579 really need three chartags?

Astolfo said:

BUR #17819 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication dan_heng_(imbibitor_lunae)_(honkai:_star_rail) -> dan_heng_(honkai:_star_rail)

Upcoming alternate form from leaks, apparently. I guess the name of the tag will be subject to change depending on what they actually call it in game officially, but no harm in requesting the implication already since the tag exists.

Functionally for an imageboard, Dan Feng and Dan Heng (Imbibitor Lunae) look pretty much smack dab identical save for the clothes they wear, and Dan Feng explicitly being Dan Heng's previous incarnation and Dan Heng coming to terms with that is pretty much the main plot point of that entire story chapter.
Pretty much the same thing I said in forum #259072 also applies here, imo. Keeping them completely separate because of "debatable lore" that isn't really debatable anyway is pointlessly splitting hairs the likes of which we do with Fate tags and should absolutely utterly avoid spreading to other franchises. They look so utterly identical in appearance that the Dan Feng tag didn't even exist for a while because all his art was only tagged Imbibitor Lunae instead.

They don't look identical, come on. Yes, they both have aqua eyes, long black hair, similar horns and ears, but as you mentioned, their clothes are different, and DF is taller (they even have different voice actors). What next, are we implying all identical twin pairs to each other because they look similar too?
DH being a reincarnation of DF to me points even further to separating them. The game establishes over and over again that Vidyahara reincarnations are functionally different people, even if the existence of one is influenced by another (and even if we take into account the special circumstances with this particular reincarnation).
And previous lack of tags or mistags are not an invitation to keeping on making the same mistakes. DF has a tag now.
Moreover, it's not even like DF is a form of DHIL. If you really want to argue this way, if anything, DHIL (and, by extension, DH) would be the one who's a form of DF... but that'd be extremely idiotic to tag. Come on, let's imply a 1k+ chartag to a chartag which doesn't even have a hundred posts. Surely this will go well.

And this has nothing to do with Fate or its tagging schemes. Come on.

BUR #22275 has been approved by @evazion.

Bunch of new tags that exist apparently.

The bulk update request #22275 (forum #264435) has been approved by @evazion.

The bulk update request #21534 (forum #261275) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #21592 (forum #261467) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #21627 (forum #261577) has been approved by @nonamethanks.