BUR #12660 has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
create alias electric_socket -> electrical_outlet
rename outlet -> electrical_outlet
Both tags exist.
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BUR #12660 has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
create alias electric_socket -> electrical_outlet
rename outlet -> electrical_outlet
Both tags exist.
The bulk update request #12660 (forum #223409) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.
To my knowledge, the term used differs between countries.
Countries in North America (perhaps also other places affiliated mainly with the U.S.) tend to call them outlets, while in most of the world, due to influence from the U.K., where both apparently are commonly used (? needs verification), they are mostly called sockets (at least in most of Europe, and also countries that are influenced by German).
This reminds me, can we please add tags for different electrical socket and plug standards? Electricity nerds like me would very much appreciate it, as while most sockets that appear here are either NEMA 1-15R and NEMA 5-15R, as well as their Japanese JIS C 8303 (both the older Class I and newer Class II) counterparts (mostly the same, but Japan has stricter requirements for dimensions and testing, and they are still in a very slow migration process, which is why most grounded sockets we get to see from Japan still have a grounding point to screw on a grounding wire from the plug, rather than a ground pole/prong), I am seeing a trend in recent years of sockets from other countries, mostly Thai TIS 166-2549 (similar to Israeli SI-32, but the sockets are not recessed, the plug poles are 4.8mm thick instead of 4.4mm, they have partial plastic sheathing, the polarity is reversed, and the sockets can technically accept polarized NEMA 1-15P and 5-15P plugs, despite the hazard since Thailand uses a 230V50Hz system) and Chinese GB 1002‐2008 (3 hole grounded similar to Australian/New Zealand AS/NZS 3112 sockets, just with reversed polarity, slightly different dimensions in one of the variants to accommodate 16A instead of 15A, and no sheathing on the 10A variant plug, while the 2 prong ungrounded, nonpolarized is similar to NEMA 1-15R, just with no holes in the plug's prongs) sockets.
I have also just seen a short time ago what I presume to be a Brazilian NBR 14136 socket (can be either 110 or 220 volts, either 50 or 60 hertz, with both 10A 4.0mm and 20A 4.8mm variants, no sheathing on the plug's poles), although since it had the ground hole on top instead of on the bottom, it could have just as well been an IEC 60906-1 socket (currently only fully implemented in South Africa, under the SANS 164-2 standard, 16A, 4.5mm and mandatory sheathing for the plug's poles), which is the basis for NBR 14136, and based upon the Swiss SN 441011 (4.4mm 10A and 16A (16A are square and have no sheathing on the plug's square poles), both single and tri-phase variants, with upwards compatibility (ungrounded 10A T11 can go into grounded 10A T12, grounded 16A T23, tri-phase 10A T15 and tri-phase 16A T25, grounded T12 can go into T12 and up, T23 into T23 and T25, T15 into T15 and T25, T25 only in T25), and very little plastic sheathing on 10A plug poles, which is thinner than the metal and very fragile, just like with the 2.5A Europlug plug that is also based upon the 10A T11 plug) standard).
Example posts:
Chinese GB 1002‐2008 (variant with both grounded and ungrounded sockets, with the ungrounded socket also accepting Europlugs): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2655677
Chinese GB 1002-2008 (variant with only grounded socket): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5973127
Thai TIS 166-2549: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6645897
Power strip with "compact" Chinese GB 1002-2008 socket variants (with the ungrounded socket allowing Europlugs as well): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5350056
German CEE 7/3 ("Schuko", short for "Schutzkontakt", accepts accompanying CEE 7/4 plugs): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6241293
Not clear, but probably CEE 7/4 with Europlugs connected to it: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6228925
CEE 7/1 (ungrounded version of CEE 7/3 and 7/6, accepts CEE 7/2, German CEE 7/16 and Europlug and similar rounded pole plugs, in practice has become outlawed in many, but not all, European countries over the last few decades): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4565775
French/Belgian CEE 7/5 (accepts accompaning CEE 7/6 plugs): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6256878
Not clear, but probably either NBR 14136 or IEC 60906-1/SANS 164-2: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6806306
Not clear, but seems to be a socket that can be found in countries such as Egypt, and accepts Europlugs, but is not recessed, and I am not sure if it is officially part of a standard: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5754818
Interesting picture, as in addition to NEMA 5-15R sockets, it also has NEMA 6-20R (250V 20A) and NEMA 5-20R (125V 20A) sockets: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2047409
Not clear, and recessed like Israeli SI-32, but is ground-up like TIS 166-2549 and old British BS 546 (and is found in many countries including India, South Africa and partially (only 15A variant, upgraded to 16A) Israel, though this looks like the 5A (upgraded to 6A in South Africa and India) variant), and is a dual vertically stacked unit, like in Thailand and South American countries: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6763340
This link also has another socket, which is obscured by the plug, however given that it is a switched plug, it is likely to either be old British BS 546/South African SANS 164-1/Indian IS 1293 or the current British BS 1363 (also found in Malaysia).
Also, this picture has NEMA 5-15R sockets, however is more likely to be a pacific country such as the Philippines than in the U.S., as the sockets are separate units in a horizontal alignment, in a way that makes it look like they may be compatible with plates that are compatible with the European Euro86 standard (86x86mm), and the switches too, but are in what is probably a 118 frame (118x72mm when only two socket modules, sans Swiss and derived, Italian CEI 23-50, and NEMA, which usually, but not always, are half as wide): https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5246541
There is a similar standard which is more common in South American countries, the 120 standard (120x74mm when 2 socket modules are installed, again sans the aforementioned), which is generally installed vertically rather than horizontally.
This socket is... weird, as it looks like a German CEE 7/3 (also found in South Korea, under KS-C8305, which includes quite a few other sockets and plugs, however does have a semi-original 2.5A plug that is almost exactly the same as Europlug, except that it is thicker, with the metal part being 4.8mm instead of 4.0mm, purely for better weight support), but the holes do not align with the ground contacts: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5043141
This is a power strip with "multistandard" sockets, which in practice violate requirements in almost all, if not all, standards, and are a hazard due to their nature, which prevents tuning the contacts inside to properly hold plugs over time, do not provide grounding to some plugs (such as the German CEE 7/4) when required, and allow plugging devices in with reversed polarity: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5493587
If this is accepted, my recommendations are as thus:
1. Only tag sockets with the corresponding standard when we are sure of the standard.
2. Use the original standard (unless the derivative has something unique, like with the JIS C 8303 older grounded sockets and plugs, the Brazilian NBR 14136 plugs, or the Chinese GB 1002-2008 sockets and plugs) or if it is clear that the location in the picture is in a country with it's own derivative standard.
3. Ignore the "Type A, B, C, etc." naming nomenclature, as the way it is ratified ignores the way the actual standards are ratified, and as such includes some misinformation (lumping all Japanese JIS and the Chinese ungrounded GB 1002-2008 sockets and plugs with NEMA, even when they are completely incompatible, mixing 2.5A Europlug (4.0mm, 120/230V 50Hz sometimes 50/60Hz), 10A SI-32 and 10A SN 441011 T11 (both 4.4mm and 230V50Hz, but Israeli 10A plugs have durable sheathing the same width as the metal part, like Italian CEI 23-50 (both 4.0mm and 4.8mm) and Thai TIS 166-2549 plugs). IEC 60906-1/SANS 164-2 (4.5mm 230V50Hz( and Brazilian NBR 14136 (4.0mm for 10A, which could either be 110V60Hz, 110V50Hz, 220V50Hz, 220V60Hz, 110V50/60Hz, 220V50/60Hz or 110/220V50/60Hz), not to mention the differences between the Australian/New Zealand, Chinese, and Argentinean standards, which while similar, are not always compatible (the Chinese standard, for example, has a different polarity, and the Argentinean standard has even more dissimilar dimensions, and so on).
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dbtmr said:
Sorry about that, I tend to put out information in that fashion, especially when there is not enough common knowledge.
I did try (albeit, not completely successfully) to break it into parts, in order for it to be more easily digestible.
while all interesting and I'm sure accurate, I sincerely don't see much utility in implementing such granular tagging. The main reason is just not many people will care about such and thus won't really care to tag this, and those who do are likely just looking to pad out the tag count of their posts. In pretty much all cases all that this will say is what country the artist is from, rather than an intent from the artist of say, "hey this is Raven from Teen Titans in an Israeli hotel" or such.
In the last year or so me and others have in fact trying to get rid of needless tagging like what you are proposing, such as various taxonomical terms like rodent. Looking around, you may point out the plethora of vehicle tags that seem overly specific, and sometimes even only for one post at the moment. This is somewhat debated but is generally accepted as fine due to such objects often being a focus of works. 99/100 times that an electrical socket is a focus of a work, it's for comedic reasons.
I hope this is helpful in understanding why one of our admins reacted in the way they did and why we are unlikely to implement what you have suggested.
Pokeball99 said:
while all interesting and I'm sure accurate, I sincerely don't see much utility in implementing such granular tagging. The main reason is just not many people will care about such and thus won't really care to tag this, and those who do are likely just looking to pad out the tag count of their posts. In pretty much all cases all that this will say is what country the artist is from, rather than an intent from the artist of say, "hey this is Raven from Teen Titans in an Israeli hotel" or such.
In the last year or so me and others have in fact trying to get rid of needless tagging like what you are proposing, such as various taxonomical terms like rodent. Looking around, you may point out the plethora of vehicle tags that seem overly specific, and sometimes even only for one post at the moment. This is somewhat debated but is generally accepted as fine due to such objects often being a focus of works. 99/100 times that an electrical socket is a focus of a work, it's for comedic reasons.
I hope this is helpful in understanding why one of our admins reacted in the way they did and why we are unlikely to implement what you have suggested.
Ah, I understand. Thanks for the explanation.
Yeah, I can understand the reasoning, especially the privacy implications regarding the author's whereabout, so I can fully accept that my request will not be implemented.
Seems to me tagging different types of electrical outlets makes about as much sense as tagging beamed sixteenth notes.
Except visualized musical notes are quite common in all types of media, much less the trope of a cheerful anime girl being expressed by musical notes around her head. And beamed sixteenth notes are still, as its wiki notes, iconic. Do you think there are 2161 posts of a 4.8mm Italian CEI 23-50 electrical outlet?
BobTheBuilder_v1 said:
Except visualized musical notes are quite common in all types of media, much less the trope of a cheerful anime girl being expressed by musical notes around her head. And beamed sixteenth notes are still, as its wiki notes, iconic. Do you think there are 2161 posts of a 4.8mm Italian CEI 23-50 electrical outlet?
Oh, no, musical note is absolutely a tag we should have. I wasn't saying anything about that.
BobTheBuilder_v1 said:
Except visualized musical notes are quite common in all types of media, much less the trope of a cheerful anime girl being expressed by musical notes around her head. And beamed sixteenth notes are still, as its wiki notes, iconic. Do you think there are 2161 posts of a 4.8mm Italian CEI 23-50 electrical outlet?
You'd be surprised. Artists tend to draw what they know, so there's probably as many posts of weird outlets as there are nationalities. But electrical outlet is one of the things that are almost never tagged because they're omnipresent background details that not a lot of people care about.