I don't see how your example describes a situation similar to the reasoning I gave. A type of skirt doesn't change depending on the lighting, the color calibration of the uploader's monitor or even how good their eyes can distinguish color.
But a type of skirt does change appearance depending on the angle, the character's pose, the clothing combination and how good the taggers distinguish clothing. And many can also overlap with each other (unless they're stated mutually exclusive, but even that has exceptions). The people yelling about how hard it is to distinguish aqua tags will find it just as hard to use other easily confusing tags. Some of them can even tell pink and purple apart.
nonamethanks said:
If it worked for silver hair, which used to have 287k posts, I don't see why it can't work for aqua hair.
Silver is an achromatic color though, it's more about the texture than a "color". Real aqua in a sea of blue/green is outstanding enough.
If it worked for silver hair, which used to have 287k posts, I don't see why it can't work for aqua hair.
Unlike other extinct hair color tags, this is objectively at the exact midpoint of two other colors. Hair color tagging has a subjectivity problem as it is, so if you want to ask a plurality of people to determine which #00FFFFs are blue and which ones are green, I don't see how that's not going to turn into visually identical posts being split up completely arbitrarily.
feline_lump said: so if you want to ask a plurality of people to determine which #00FFFFs are blue and which ones are green
This might be besides the point, but #00FFFF is cyan, which for the purposes of tagging and visual identification is as blue as it gets (unless you have eye damage, a broken monitor, or want to argue semantics about whether "light blue" is "blue"). You might be thinking of teal (#008080) or aquamarine (#7FFFD4), which are closer to the threshold.
Usually on danbooru "aqua" just means "light blue" because of Miku. Look at hatsune_miku aqua_hair and you'll see tons of things that are obviously green or obviously blue, and very few posts in the threshold. In 90% of the cases it's a canon tag.
When I said "it worked for silver hair" I meant that sorting out a huge tag is not a problem by itself because there's always someone around willing to go through thousands upon thousands of posts. However I don't really believe a deprecation will work in this case because there are shades (of cyan, not cyan itself) for which as you said it's genuinely impossible to determine whether something is green or blue. And we're talking about potentially thousands of posts here. For those, it might be worth it to keep aqua hair and aqua eyes around, but it'd have to be a gardening project done "in place", moving posts away and leaving aqua hair and aqua eyes for the ones that are truly in the threshold, otherwise we'd be deprecating a tag without a place to move posts that actually belong in there.
This might be besides the point, but #00FFFF is cyan, which for the purposes of tagging and visual identification is as blue as it gets (unless you have eye damage, a broken monitor, or want to argue semantics about whether "light blue" is "blue").
That's exactly the point. You've said this shade is "as blue as it gets". Wikipedia thinks this is both blue and green, and the ISCC–NBS thinks this is "brilliant bluish green". Our wiki pages consistently call it "blue-green". The hex code is saturated with an equal amount of blue and green. Peoplealreadytagnearlyvisuallyidenticalpostsasbothblueandgreen. "Tag what's obvious" doesn't suffice as a solution, because everyone has a different idea of what's "obvious".
That's exactly the point. You've said this shade is "as blue as it gets". Wikipedia thinks this is both blue and green, and the ISCC–NBS thinks this is "brilliant bluish green".
The Wikipedia definition of cyan is worthless to us. There's like 20 different shades, some closer to green and some closer to blue. And yes, the hex definition of cyan is technically half green and half blue. But go ahead and ask someone who doesn't deal with color theory what color this is, and see how many people look at you funny when you tell them it's "technically" not blue, but half blue half green. Have you ever looked at the morning sky and thought "hmm, what a nice shade of bluish-green the sky is today"? It's sophistry, it's a worthless argument for a site like this where you have to make a binary choice at a glance to identify the color.
If you want to see to what degree our users distinguish green vs blue you can look at light_green_hair vs light_blue_hair. You'll find there are very few aqua hair under the first tag, while light_blue_hair is almost indistinguishable from it (save from random examples of non-light blue getting thrown in there due to canon tagging).
If people are tagging post #6731358 as green then that's an issue with their eyes and/or monitors. It's a mistag, not a case to have those posts fall under a threshold tag. Those shades of blue aren't even close to the green threshold. People used to tag silver hair on purple hair and lavender hair on blue hair too, doesn't mean we should cater to them.
In any case, this whole thing is tangential at best. The problem is that there are shades of inbetween colors that are impossible to categorize in a way that would satisfy most users, and a lot of those posts are for fairly popular copyrights, so there's no way around it other than having a tag for "in-between". If someone wants to make a serious case for aqua hair being deprecated then they need to also offer a solution on where to put the posts that would cause the most contention, like post #6856466 (whatever color this is).
So both are here to stay? I'm a bit bothered by that, considering that I see mistags in the first page for both. Though I'll admit light brown hair isn't horrid.
Aliases and implications do not work for these tags because of how poorly tagged they are, as said above. Every single one is a steaming hot mess worse than what my gallbladderless ass produces after I decide 2am Taco Bell is a good idea.
They need to be deprecated, not aliased or implicated.
The main issue with that is that's it's been ten months since Evazion deprecated those other four and none have been meaningfully cleared out. Any Users looking for Builder can earn a huge amount of goodwill towards promotion by properly purging deprecated tags.
