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Deprecate the rest of silver_* tags

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BUR #19601 has been rejected.

deprecate silver_pubic_hair
deprecate silver_background
deprecate silver_dress
deprecate silver_footwear
deprecate silver_bikini
deprecate silver_nails
deprecate silver_one-piece_swimsuit
deprecate silver_hairband

Sequel of topic #20897.
For the same reason we have done so to silver hair. Even shiny-looking grey hair should be tagged with only grey hair from now on. Those colour shades will fit better into the more general grey_* or white_* if looks lighter. I cannot include silver earrings or any objects which are realistically made of metal like this.

I don't consider aliasing silver_* tags into grey_* will be better idea because, take a look at the following examples of posts tagged such:

So are the rest of posts with silver_*, showing things that are either grey or white.

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BUR #19618 has been rejected.

deprecate silver_trim

Decided to create grey trim as a viable substitute of silver trim for things like post #5301898 or post #6480597. Silver_* as a colour qualifier tag does look intuitive, at a glance some people may mistaken it for the material instead.

Somehow don't even have an idea why some are in favour of keeping silver_* while the colour scheme is obviously can be better described with white or grey. While the reasoning in favour of deprecation is just the same thing with previous one, in the name of standardization and consistency.

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BUR #19646 has been rejected.

deprecate silver_headwear
deprecate silver_hat
deprecate silver_shirt
deprecate silver_coat
deprecate silver_shorts
deprecate silver_choker
deprecate silver_shoes
deprecate silver_legwear
deprecate silver_leotard
deprecate silver_gloves
deprecate silver_ribbon
deprecate silver_skirt

Just found out more tags like this. The reason is stated on above. This site did the same thing to silver bra or silver panties.

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"Maybe this particular thing actually is made of silver" isn't a good reason to keep problematic tags IMO. Robotic or other sci-fi characters could have hair literally made of silver too. And we'll never know for a fact whether a choker or anything else is silver unless the artist tells us, or it's canon tagging. It's better to make people tag the colors they see.

7HS said:

"Maybe this particular thing actually is made of silver" isn't a good reason to keep problematic tags IMO. Robotic or other sci-fi characters could have hair literally made of silver too. And we'll never know for a fact whether a choker or anything else is silver unless the artist tells us, or it's canon tagging. It's better to make people tag the colors they see.

I guess we should nuke all the gold tags, too, then.

Silver hair was a problem because the word "silver" when used to describe hair could mean anything from slightly off-white to just a few shades short of black, and being "shiny" doesn't work as an argument when literally all anime hair is shiny. Gold and silver clothes tend to have a very specific look that distinguishes them from just something that's grey or yellow. It's perfectly reasonable to describe something like this as "silver".

A shiny yellowish accessory is probably made of gold, or at least something that looks like it, and a shiny silver accessory is probably made of silver. That's just a reasonable assumption, not everything needs to be known for a fact to tag it as such. People searching for jewelery and accessories don't care if it's literally made of the material, just that it looks like it is. There's probably a reason we have gold earrings and silver earrings, and not yellow earrings or grey earrings.

One tag being a problem doesn't mean every similarly named tag is also a problem, we don't need to resort to "scorched earth" every time a controversial tag gets nuked.

blindVigil said:

Silver hair was a problem because the word "silver" when used to describe hair could mean anything from slightly off-white to just a few shades short of black, and being "shiny" doesn't work as an argument when literally all anime hair is shiny. Gold and silver clothes tend to have a very specific look that distinguishes them from just something that's grey or yellow. It's perfectly reasonable to describe something like this as "silver".

This. Just because silver hair was a bad tag doesn't mean gold bikini or silver dress are bad tags.

I will say though that some of these clothing tags are overused for things that aren't metallic silver. And silver trim is all over the place. Half the posts are just for Elizabeth Bathory (Brave)'s bikini armor, as if we need a new tag just for the color of her bikini straps.

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