Pokemon mystery fire temporary utility implications

BUR #20393 has been rejected.

For the unaware, pokemon mystery fire is a 733 page fancomic that is beloved enough to have its own tv tropes page and multiple uploads on other sites so it deserves a spot here.

Now, tagging this thing is gonna be an actual nightmare when remembering all the little things that needs to be tagged repeatedly (eg, copyrights, "Pokemon_creature" comic, page number and so on) without missing any combined with expressions, perspective, etc and doing it to the standard you would an individual image and doing it for 700. BEFORE it then gets scraped to gelbooru. And I prefer to have a list of personal related tags for the characters and then focus on what is unique to individual pages.

So I humbly request some utility implications to make some of the repeat tags automatic so I can focus on putting this in a pool and tagging individual pages. This can be removed after upload of the comic is finished. I've split it into two requests, one that can stick around if seen fit and one that is definitely temporary.

I allready set up "infrastructure" by making copyright tags and one for jen. Some characters are clearly their own character, with unique personality and arcs but are just named after the pokemon in the comic, biggest example probably being Darkrai. So I set up character tags for the 11 most featured members of the cast using E621's related species tag section for the mystery fire tag:
https://e621.net/related_tag?search%5Bquery%5D=pokemon_victory_fire&search%5Bcategory_id%5D=5&commit=Search

There first should be any images, before it's implied to another tag. Also, no pokemon does imply pokemon (creature) and char-tags don't imply any copyright-tags.

You just had the pokemon_(creature) tag explained to you in topic #25215. Are you being wilfully ignorant?

Nacha said:

There first should be any images, before it's implied to another tag. Also, no pokemon does imply pokemon (creature) and char-tags don't imply any copyright-tags.

That's why it's a temporary utility implication. It can be removed afterwards and is to make sure the "repeat" tags get applied correctly for 733 pages.

Making the implication before uploading the whole thing is the point.

Obst said:

You just had the pokemon_(creature) tag explained to you in topic #25215. Are you being wilfully ignorant?

No but I think you might be in respect to the bur. None of the actual species tags are set to imply pokemon_creature, it's only the victory fire specific character tags. For that exact reason. There aren't any humanized fanart of the characters and even if we want to consider that a risk someone might upload some it can be removed after upload of the comic is finished.

1. Implications are only approved, if there are any images uploaded as a basic rule. No "but it's an utility beforehand" will change that.
2. Even if it was the point, you could also upload the images, or a few of them, and then ask for an implication. Your reasoning is irrelevant like that.
3. It doesn't change, that we don't create implications from char-tags to copyright-tags.

Like that, the BUR will be rejected, also because of what Obst said. You won't get any implication approved just to make uploading easier for you.

Nacha said:

1. Implications are only approved, if there are any images uploaded as a basic rule. No "but it's an utility beforehand" will change that.
2. Even if it was the point, you could also upload the images, or a few of them, and then ask for an implication. Your reasoning is irrelevant like that.
3. It doesn't change, that we don't create implications from char-tags to copyright-tags.

Like that, the BUR will be rejected, also because of what Obst said. You won't get any implication approved just to make uploading easier for you.

Allright, I'll post a few.

But

Nacha said:
You won't get any implication approved just to make uploading easier for you.

Please, it's for the purpose of eliminating human error and things being tagged correctly which is what the site wants. Yes it makes things easier for me when uploading, but it's for everyone sake.

Another thing. Is it even necessary to create a different char-tag for Darkrai and the others? You could possibly search for Pokemon Victory Fire + Darkrai if you want to find such images.
Is there anything unique about these pokemons?

Take the time to tag and post images thoroughly, the frequent tags feature might help. There's no rush for this.

War6t2 said:

Please, it's for the purpose of eliminating human error and things being tagged correctly which is what the site wants. Yes it makes things easier for me when uploading, but it's for everyone sake.

Cross-category implications are impossible either way, so the majority of the ones in the BUR won't work. Also there is no need to implicate the copyright tag to both Mystery Dungeon and Pokemon since the former already indirectly implies the latter.

Sessyoin_Kiara said:

Take the time to tag and post images thoroughly, the frequent tags feature might help. There's no rush for this.

Yeah, I noticed that since the artist hasn't been uploaded before her related tags inadvertently contained the same. Frequent tags is what I meant with having a list of related tags in the op. I just misremembered it as also being called related tags. Initial plan was having filling the frequent tag feature with the names of the main cast and then have all the formatting ones (comic, page number and so on) implied and remove the formatting implications afterwards. But as unbreakable just told me cross category implications are not possible.

I just feel like I'm having a stroke doing this.

Unbreakable said:

Cross-category implications are impossible either way, so the majority of the ones in the BUR won't work. Also there is no need to implicate the copyright tag to both Mystery Dungeon and Pokemon since the former already indirectly implies the latter.

Ah thank you. I did not know that. I thought it was specific category combinations not all cross category. How come I was able to even make the bur?

Again I just feel like I'm going insane staring at a screen and have messed up a couple of tags I had to fix already.

So just copy paste the formatting into every upload? (There's literally one page that doesn't have a white border and only cover pages don't have page numbers)

sulfurbunny pokemon_mystery_dungeon pokemon_victory_fire english_commentary microsoft_paint_(medium)
animal_focus comic english_text no_humans page_number pokemon_(creature) white_border

Anything else missing in terms of formatting?

War6t2 said:

Ah thank you. I did not know that. I thought it was specific category combinations not all cross category. How come I was able to even make the bur?

Probably because the tags were empty? Not entirely sure to be honest.

BUR #20396 has been rejected.

create implication pokemon_victory_fire -> pokemon_mystery_dungeon
create implication darkrai_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> darkrai
create implication gengar_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> gengar
create implication houndoom_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> houndoom
create implication jen_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> audino
create implication kecleon_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> kecleon
create implication murkrow_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> murkrow
create implication victini_(pokemon_victory_fire) -> victini

Non cross category version.

Remaining utility ones.

Nacha said:

Another thing. Is it even necessary to create a different char-tag for Darkrai and the others? You could possibly search for Pokemon Victory Fire + Darkrai if you want to find such images.
Is there anything unique about these pokemons?

I was debating this with myself as it was an edge case, but wound up finding it inconsistent that the one pokemon charecter with a human name (Jen) had a character tag while the rest of the cast did not. Which looked stupid as hell on e6. Plus, there is some art outside the comic, so if you want to look for nonn comic art of a specific charecter from the comic you can filter for their name -comic. Rather than having to filter through every comic appearence in the result. Potentially getting spoilers as well as just being slightly annoying.

To answer your other question Darkrai is probably the single most "different" one of the cast other than Jen. Victini too.

Edit: removed characters that don't appear until way later for the categories to work.

BUR #20397 has been rejected.

create implication pokemon_victory_fire -> pokemon_mystery_dungeon

At the very least

Would this even be a copyright tag? Aren't fancomics usually reserved for pools?
I'm not geeked on the character tags especially the ones that just share the same names as the canon tags, the characters don't look like they have enough unique visual traits to set it apart from any furry art of the Pokemon. Don't understand why you wouldn't just search species + Victory Fire.

Allright everyone. Here it is so far. Now there's definitely images.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/20955

How about the tagging here?

zetsubousensei said:

Would this even be a copyright tag? Aren't fancomics usually reserved for pools?
I'm not geeked on the character tags especially the ones that just share the same names as the canon tags, the characters don't look like they have enough unique visual traits to set it apart from any furry art of the Pokemon. Don't understand why you wouldn't just search species + Victory Fire.

There's been a bit of fan art and such so I think that's the best idea. Like fan projects sometimes get their own copyright. As for character tags look at what I told nacha, don't mean to cut you off just tired.

War6t2 said:

There's been a bit of fan art and such so I think that's the best idea. Like fan projects sometimes get their own copyright.

The copyright tags for fan projects generally aren't made before the fan art gets uploaded. There's a lot of fancomics represented on Danbooru which have pages on TVTropes which don't have their own tags (see "JoJo's Bizarre Summer Break") because they have no fan art on site.

War6t2 said:

Now, tagging this thing is gonna be an actual nightmare when remembering all the little things that needs to be tagged repeatedly (eg, copyrights, "Pokemon_creature" comic, page number and so on) without missing any combined with expressions, perspective, etc and doing it to the standard you would an individual image and doing it for 700. BEFORE it then gets scraped to gelbooru.

You do realise that if this gets scraped to Gelbooru, I'm just going to delete it for being a multi-page comic, right?

AngryZapdos said:

You do realise that if this gets scraped to Gelbooru, I'm just going to delete it for being a multi-page comic, right?

? I honestly know fuckall about gelbooru. only reason I didn't mention tbib is that it's most likely allready on there from having been on e6.

BUR #20560 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke pokemon_victory_fire
nuke darkrai_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke gengar_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke houndoom_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke jen_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke kecleon_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke murkrow_(pokemon_victory_fire)
nuke victini_(pokemon_victory_fire)

For now pool:20955 is equivalent to all of these. We can revisit it if it ever gets fanart uploaded (and not deleted).

The bulk update request #20393 (forum #256544) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.