[NSFW] Reconsidering the usefulness vs. redundancy of any loli or shota-related subtags

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To be honest, I am in favour of deprecating, even nuking few loli-related tags for the following reasons:

1.) The first is oppai loli. It's just for sexualized underaged girls with adult-sized breasts instead of normally flat chest. I see nothing objectively useful for this tag, other than fetish-oriented purpose that simply cater two-tags-search-only restricted users. A simple search for loli breasts is simply possible. It feels as redundant as having red_scarf_with_fringe_trim as a singular tag despite how common it is, when searching for red_scarf fringe_trim is possible.

2.) Lolibaba, I think this is too canonical to use, because no one at the first glance is going to assume that a character is older than what they appear, when it comes to prepubescent appearance. This tag do violate the basic "tag what you see" principle. Thus making this a mere padding tag which tag gardening for many users even harder. Underused and not visually practical.

The lack of loli implications of those subtags (also lolidom, but I think it's worth keeping as a distinct subset of assertive female) are truly detrimental to this site's legal issues, and can be exploited as loophole for restricted users to see such exclusively censored tags.

For those who are truly in favour of keeping those "padding" tags, should lolidom, lolibaba, oppai loli, and onee-loli implicate loli respectively? As well as how shotadom, onee-shota and onii-shota imply shota for a clear reason.

You have no idea what you're talking about if you think searching loli breasts is in any way a substitute for oppai loli.

Lolibaba isn't supposed to rely on canon knowledge, it's supposed to be based context in the image.

The various loli/shota adjacent tags don't implicate them, I imagine, because posts like this exist. Unfortunately, this means many posts end up missing the tags.

Have you read the oppai loli wiki, before writing this?
Oppai Loli can also apply to images with childs, if it's not NSFW. And even your suggestion for loli breasts is nonsense, because if you look at the first page, you only find lolis with small breasts.

Also, the usage of the word "padding" tag is becoming so nonsensical, that users are just using it to let others know that they don't like those tags. Before making a suggestion, at least take the time to write some proper arguments.

In regards to lolibaba: It should only be used for comic images or such that have any text and not for canon-usage, so it has a use.

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I think the main issue with these tags is that they go against the typical mentality associated with loli/shota in the Danboorian context, that being their explicit association with NSFW content. Despite all of them invoking either loli or shota in name, none of them have the same content restriction as the core tags do, because the posts they are tagged on are explicitly not exclusively NSFW content. Therefore, the actual solution here isn't to have the tags imply loli or shota, but to have the tags renamed.

But that's probably not going to happen because we're dealing with terminology that's common across the Japanese- and English-speaking Internet with no clear alternatives, terminology that utilizes the more common usage of loli and shota in contrast to the Danboorian context.

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create implication oppai_loli -> loli

I do not believe that loli breasts is a good substitute for oppai loli - that tag is specifically intended for at least large-breasted, yet otherwise little, girls.

That being said... I do believe oppai_loli *should* imply loli. Up until topic #21641, loli was not supposed to be added to rating:s posts; and standards for lewdness needed for the loli tag were higher. Nowadays, a post needs to be less inapropriate to be tagged as loli. Oppai lolis are, by definition, small and young-looking girls, who are also sexualized (large+ breasts) - which is the definition of loli.

The wiki makes it quite explicit that the main reason that some oppai loli posts are not tagged loli is not because of worksafeness, but because visibly teenage and short adult characters can still be oppai loli.

And I don't agree with that wiki. I would tag all examples of "oppai_loli & not loli" present on that page with loli.

And we have shortstack for small adult women with large breasts.

Even if you don't agree, current usage of this tag skews even more towards teenagers than actual children, as you can see from browsing a few pages. Approving this implication as-is would cause a bunch of unnecessary tag pollution.

shortstack is also distinct from oppai loli in that it emphasizes wide hips and does not emphasize "babyface" characters, although there is overlap.

KagayakuShiningGate said:

BUR #18759 has been rejected.

create implication oppai_loli -> loli

I do not believe that loli breasts is a good substitute for oppai loli - that tag is specifically intended for at least large-breasted, yet otherwise little, girls.

That being said... I do believe oppai_loli *should* imply loli. Up until topic #21641, loli was not supposed to be added to rating:s posts; and standards for lewdness needed for the loli tag were higher. Nowadays, a post needs to be less inapropriate to be tagged as loli. Oppai lolis are, by definition, small and young-looking girls, who are also sexualized (large+ breasts) - which is the definition of loli.

I think we'd need to go through and fix a lot of misuse currently present in oppai_loli -loli first. There's a lot of examples of bad tagging in there. For example pine_(bombergirl) oppai_loli is full of images that should probably be tagged shortstack instead, while several posts of what appear to be just normal women with large breasts are presently tagged oppai loli.

Examples are post #6475730 , which features a character who is neither a loli nor tagged oppai loli , post #6475080 and children, which features a normal teenage woman (and even features the petite tag), and post #6471530 whose breasts, while large for her frame, meet none of the requirements for oppai loli.

Other posts like post #6477920 and post #6491442 leave the entire character's body out of frame, but they're still tagged oppai loli.

Finally, a third category of posts are posts which just, objectively should have the loli tag but don't, such as post #6445008

The loli as a tag and as a word has become an implication of sexual and erotic subjects. It used to be more of a description for, well, small anime girls, without strictly implying anything explicit. Check how konachan, an old and outdated booru still uses it this way. This is important, because terms that emerged in relation to the word "loli" are not strictly sexual. Since Danbooru uses loli to discern sexually suggestive images from public access, this implication would be harmful to many users.

World_Funeral said:
1.) The first is oppai loli. It's just for sexualized underaged girls with adult-sized breasts instead of normally flat chest. I see nothing objectively useful for this tag, other than fetish-oriented purpose that simply cater two-tags-search-only restricted users. A simple search for loli breasts is simply possible. It feels as redundant as having red_scarf_with_fringe_trim as a singular tag despite how common it is, when searching for red_scarf fringe_trim is possible.

If the tag was used in the same way as loli then I would agree, but it is used for any babyface girl with medium to huge breasts, post #6534307 post #6503343 post #6430836

2.) Lolibaba, I think this is too canonical to use, because no one at the first glance is going to assume that a character is older than what they appear, when it comes to prepubescent appearance. This tag do violate the basic "tag what you see" principle. Thus making this a mere padding tag which tag gardening for many users even harder. Underused and not visually practical.

Lolibabas are small anime girls with an aura of a grown woman. It is a very ambiguous tag describing characters such as Senko-san, and does not have to imply anything erotic. It is rare, not consistently used, it would go against the users without any benefit for the catalog.

The lack of loli implications of those subtags (also lolidom, but I think it's worth keeping as a distinct subset of assertive female) are truly detrimental to this site's legal issues, and can be exploited as loophole for restricted users to see such exclusively censored tags.

Restricted user cannot access censored tags. If an image has a lolibaba but nothing on it requires loli tag, it is not restricted content. If it needs the loli tag and uploader has not included it, that'd be them avoiding restrictions, which is not a new thing.

For those who are truly in favour of keeping those "padding" tags, should lolidom, lolibaba, oppai loli, and onee-loli implicate loli respectively? As well as how shotadom, onee-shota and onii-shota imply shota for a clear reason.

I am not in favour of padding tags, I would say they should be either populated with more posts, or purged. But a quick search shows posts tagged with them are not very consistent, and none of them are strictly sexual terms.

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