[Touhou]/[Bocchi the Rock!] Three new Collection pool ideas

Hi All, I'm looking at creating a couple of new pools, and I'm doing this to gauge interest. I'm happy to make these pools and start filling them out myself:

Bocchi the Rock anxiety transformations (if you've got a title idea, by all means suggest it) - a pool for expanding on the joke in the anime of bocchi's art style shifting with her distressed mental state.. Examples would include things like post #6292931 and post #6277905 among others.

Kirisame Marisa's Klepto-Mania - a pool for Marisa's infamous trend of stealing books, hoarding cards, stealing the precious things(as long as it is actually framed as theft), all that sort of stuff. This would include things like post #559501, post #4255642 and post #82943.

Saigyouji Yuyuko, Gluttonous Ghost of Gensokyo - making a pool for yuyuko Saigyouji that's in line with pools like Akagi's and Oguri Cap's. post #6419775, post #5064420 and post #4792995 are just a few examples.

There is an existing pool for Yuyuko, but that pool's scope is very narrow - it's only about Yuyuko eating other ghosts. Not only do the other Glutton's pools include cannibalism just as a subset of the general glutton's pool, but Yuyuko's far more likely to target other characters like Mystia than other ghosts, and there's actually an entirely different character who feeds on spirits now - Miyako Yoshika. So to me, it makes more sense to have the larger, more standardised pool instead of -or at least alongside - the older, more narrow one.

Not sure about the other two but the Bocchi thing could even be a tag I think?

I don't have any problems with the first idea, whether as a tag or pool.

The second idea should just be covered by kirisame_marisa theft. If a post would qualify as "Marisa committing theft" then it would be taggable as theft, and Marisa is the only one with kleptomania so that search should be at least 90% Marisa stealing things.

For the third idea, I'll reiterate my previous preference that the cannibal Yuyuko pool be left alone, otherwise I don't have any particular issue with creating a pool for more general gluttony. The reason for this is because without that pool, images of Yuyuko eating ghosts cannot be reliably found. Unlike Akagi eating shipgirls or humans, which is undeniably cannibalism, Yuyuko eating myon doesn't count as cannibalism without breaking twys. I don't really understand what Yoshika has to do with this, though. Her existence doesn't really change that Yuyuko doing it is especially noteworthy.

I do wonder though if the underused glutton would be able to replace all those gluttony pools.

blindVigil said:

I don't have any problems with the first idea, whether as a tag or pool.

The second idea should just be covered by kirisame_marisa theft. If a post would qualify as "Marisa committing theft" then it would be taggable as theft, and Marisa is the only one with kleptomania so that search should be at least 90% Marisa stealing things.

For the third idea, I'll reiterate my previous preference that the cannibal Yuyuko pool be left alone, otherwise I don't have any particular issue with creating a pool for more general gluttony. The reason for this is because without that pool, images of Yuyuko eating ghosts cannot be reliably found. Unlike Akagi eating shipgirls or humans, which is undeniably cannibalism, Yuyuko eating myon doesn't count as cannibalism without breaking twys. I don't really understand what Yoshika has to do with this, though. Her existence doesn't really change that Yuyuko doing it is especially noteworthy.

I do wonder though if the underused glutton would be able to replace all those gluttony pools.

I'll happily concede the point on the second idea. I think that might be more a case of an underused tag rather than a needed pool.

My primary concern about having both a general Yuyuko gluttony pool, and a yuyuko cannibalism pool, is that the latter is basically just a subset of the former. And that doesn't feel like it makes a lot of sense.

The point about yoshika, to elaborate on more clearly, is that there are other characters who do the same thing as well, and thus it might be worth reassessing that pool's current state - it could be that there are other cases where it's just as frequent eating other species than themselves.

My personal feeling, if you wanted to make that subset still easy to find, would be that it makes more sense as a tag that's not tied to yuyuko, rather than a pool tied to her. something like "eating spirit" or "inter-species cannibalism", would allow you to find the yuyuko pool's contents in 2 tags or less, or use that same 2-tag limit to find every case of yoshika doing it, like post #4775228. It would also, just from those two characters alone, have more images tagged than two existing eating subset tags, eating bugs and eating panties

As for glutton, there are definitely cases where the gluttonous character isn't directly visible or tagged, but would still fit in the general joke of these pools. An example would be post #417985.

C-light said:

My personal feeling, if you wanted to make that subset still easy to find, would be that it makes more sense as a tag that's not tied to yuyuko, rather than a pool tied to her. something like "eating spirit" or "inter-species cannibalism", would allow you to find the yuyuko pool's contents in 2 tags or less, or use that same 2-tag limit to find every case of yoshika doing it, like post #4775228. It would also, just from those two characters alone, have more images tagged than two existing eating subset tags, eating bugs and eating panties

There's probably merit in a tag for that, though "interspecies cannibalism" would be an absolutely terrible name for it. However, it wouldn't properly cover pool #4587. There are several images that fit the pool but don't actually feature a spirit being eaten. Yuyuko is only thinking about it in post #263366, in post #6064275 Kaguya being a ghost is known only through context from earlier pages, as well as some posts featuring Yuyuko eating, or planning to eat, Youmu herself, rather than just her ghost half, and finally a few examples of implied consumption.

As for glutton, there are definitely cases where the gluttonous character isn't directly visible or tagged, but would still fit in the general joke of these pools. An example would be post #417985.

Yeah, I took a quick glance through the relevant pools, there are plenty of posts that don't work for the tag, though it still should see more use than it does.

blindVigil said:

There's probably merit in a tag for that, though "interspecies cannibalism" would be an absolutely terrible name for it. However, it wouldn't properly cover pool #4587. There are several images that fit the pool but don't actually feature a spirit being eaten. Yuyuko is only thinking about it in post #263366, in post #6064275 Kaguya being a ghost is known only through context from earlier pages, as well as some posts featuring Yuyuko eating, or planning to eat, Youmu herself, rather than just her ghost half, and finally a few examples of implied consumption.

Yeah, I took a quick glance through the relevant pools, there are plenty of posts that don't work for the tag, though it still should see more use than it does.

"Interspecies Cannibalism" is a pretty terrible tag name, but I couldn't think of anything general but less than a phrase long for "eating something sentient but not the same species as you appear to be". "sentient food", maybe? I still think "eating spirits" makes more sense though.

Two of the three Youmu examples would just fall under the conventional cannibalism (or vore) tag by default, with planning to eat falling under implied_cannibalism. So would the Kaguya image.

Assuming we added both the gluttonous pool and the eating spirits tag, of the images in the cannibal pool now:

about 40 of them could be found with the gluttony pool and eating spirits
7 could be found with gluttonous pool and cannibalism or implied_cannibalism, because they involve yuyuko eating human bodies
and 3 of them would be harder to find than they are currently (two of which you've cited, including the one i argued against above, and one does the same leaf-wrapped spirit idea), but would still fit in the gluttony pool, so they wouldn't be terribly hard to find.

(if anyone's confused, I'm trying to find easy ways to find these items in two tags because that's the limit for free users.)

even if you took a more conservative read than I did on how easily eating spirit could be applied, you're still going to get the vast majority of it easily surfaceable in two tags, and it's not like the few cases left wouldn't fit in the gluttony pool. Which circles back to my subset point.

Not to mention, the fact that "Cannibal yuyuko" is a pool that has "cannibalism" in less than 20% of it by tag-what-you-see, is another problem I have with this.