Donmai

getting rid of rooftop

Posted under Tags

John Fantasy XIV

BUR #16086 has been rejected.

create alias rooftop -> on_roof

rooftop is frequently being misused to denote a character/pov on top of a roof instead of the lesser-known on_roof. if you take a leisurely scroll, you will see 99.9% images of what should be on_roof and maybe 3 or 4 actual buildings with rooftops visible from a higher elevation, like in a cityscape or other scenery scenarios. there is arguably no value in a standalone tag to describe what rooftop should, as obviously all buildings have rooftops, and tagging them would be as trivial as the old eyebrows_visible_through_hair.

rooftop should be aliased to keep people from continuing to mistag it, and I'll go through and garden out the few posts that used it properly later.

edit: if having a second tag for just... buildings with roofs is needed, that's fine, but there needs to be a clear line drawn between the two and a way to keep people from using it incorrectly.

Updated

Reply
Red Terror LQ Iam1vs100xp user 893647 user 499293 Kaede Ono sabisabi Unbreakable Login to view Mayhem-Chan Hillside Moose avidbookreader Obst 先男虫
John Fantasy XIV

magcolo said:

I thought rooftop is for the kind of typical anime school rooftop which looks like an extra floor, and on roof is for actual roofs like post #5799796.

a roof is still a roof no matter if it was designed to be stood on or not. maintaining this distinction is silly when both describe a character's location on a rooftop. bonus points for on_roof, as it follows the same trend that on_chair, on_desk, etc. do to show location. I would be for making very clear distinctions between the two tags in each other's wikis and updating the posts, but this being a recurring issue should require a "smarter, not harder" approach.

Reply
John Fantasy XIV

AngryZapdos said:

What of post #2510256? Nobody is "on" the rooftop, yet it undeniably fits what you're trying to tag.

well, this is undeniably an image of a rooftop. if we keep on_roof to describe images with characters on roofs, and rooftop to cover those occasional posts of plain rooftops, it would make more sense to extend rooftop as a parent tag for all visible roofs -- character, pov, or otherwise -- and implicate on roof to it. this would fix the usage overlap between both tags, and posts currently with rooftop that also show on roof can be fixed after.

Reply
Mayhem-Chan

My takeaway is that on roof probably shouldn't include rooftop cases for tagging purposes, even if it is technically a roof, but wether or not i am right with this, extending rooftop to be a parent tag makes no sense, a rooftop is a rooftop, including normal generic roofs in a tag that refers to a specific kind of roof is nonsensical

Reply
John Fantasy XIV

Mayhem-Chan said:

My takeaway is that on roof probably shouldn't include rooftop cases for tagging purposes, even if it is technically a roof, but wether or not i am right with this, extending rooftop to be a parent tag makes no sense, a rooftop is a rooftop, including normal generic roofs in a tag that refers to a specific kind of roof is nonsensical

a rooftop, or the top of a roof, is the same as a roof because the roof is the top of the building. if you want to be pedantic about it, you might say that the roof is the entire covering of a building's top floor and the rooftop is the area above the roof exposed to the sky. this changes nothing about tagging because both words refer to the highest point of a structure, one just has an extra 3 letters.

Reply
Mayhem-Chan

bob14234657 said:

a rooftop, or the top of a roof, is the same as a roof because the roof is the top of the building. if you want to be pedantic about it, you might say that the roof is the entire covering of a building's top floor and the rooftop is the area above the roof exposed to the sky. this changes nothing about tagging because both words refer to the highest point of a structure, one just has an extra 3 letters.

Seems you don't know but Rooftop as a single word literally refers to the kind of roof that is designed like an extra floor, to be walked on by humans, in contrast to a normal roof of say, a residential house for example, on which it is actually dangerous to walk.
Just like magcolo said, the typical rooftop, you see in anime schools where the characters go sit and eat their lunch.
look at post #6087007 , she's sitting on a roof, but not a rooftop, just a normal roof.
So no, one doesnt just have 3 extra letters, the 3 extra letters are there for a reason, the name just isn't intuitive

Reply
John Fantasy XIV

Mayhem-Chan said:
...

okay, fine. a roof is not a rooftop, and apparently all the dictionaries of the internet can't provide the same level of distinguishment you just did. if we can define rooftop as "an area designed to be humanly walkable, typically flat and with railings," then there is still the issue of on roof posts fitting that definition. what I might propose instead is parent tags roof and rooftop for all images with either and tags on roof and on rooftop implicated to their respective parents for characters on either roof or rooftop. and a very clear line in the sand on their wikis so misunderstandings like mine don't happen again (not like uppers read wikis anyways).

Reply
1