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Imply legs_together for thigh_gap and seiza

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BUR #16886 has been rejected.

create implication seiza -> legs_together

Can thigh_gap exist without legs being together or thighs touching?
I think that is unlikely - same can be said for seiza with it's strict implications.
Currently there's no implications for legs_together tag, even though it's quite useful for pose description.

IMO it can also be used together with knees_together_feet_apart or pigeon-toed for more detailed pose tagging, but currently that would contradict guidelines in wiki page. I find it weird since there are posts tagged pigeontoed varying for everything from "legs together slightly inwards" to "kneeling with feet wide apart" or even sitting with legs and knees apart.
Maybe that can also be discussed here?

magcolo said:

Legs together and knees together feet apart are mutually exclusive for the most part.

Is legs_together tag then supposed to mean legs as in from thighs to feet (as when standing at attention)?
In other words, it could be described like knees_together_feet_together?
Sorry if that sounds silly, but as for non-native speaker legs are a bit vague to me (in the current tagging scheme, at least).
knees_together_feet_apart implies that thighs are touching, but pigeon-toed itself does not hint if there's any distance between thighs, knees or feet.

yujikiji said:

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From legs together's wiki

This tag is for legs with minimal or no separation along their entire length. […]

If a character's legs are touching at the knees but their feet aren't touching, use knees together feet apart instead.

So yes the entire legs from thighs to feet.

Pigeon-toed is a type of legs that developed an X shape or O shape due to genetics, bad sitting/kneeling habits etc, causing the bones, especially the knees and toes, to go inwards. Wiki also suggests that they're somewhat mutually exclusive, but a little overlap is fine imo.

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yujikiji said:

Is legs_together tag then supposed to mean legs as in from thighs to feet (as when standing at attention)?

in essence, yes. this tag is filled with a whole lot of what’s technically “thighs together” because the calves are out of frame, but there’s a little blurb at the bottom of legs together that addresses this.

knees together feet together is just legs together but longer, and while I agree that the difference might not be inherently obvious I still wouldn’t be in favor of this disambiguation because it sounds dumb. not a fan of knees together feet apart either tbh, but thinking of a better name that describes as much in less words seems like a difficult exercise in mental gymnastics.

Thank you all, now definition is clear to me.
So, currently legs_together, knees_together_feet_apart and thigh_gap all seem to imply that thighs are together (not going into tags for sitting postures) and pigeon-toed can also cover this in some cases (although with medical definition it sounds more like a per-character condition than a pose, but i guess it's common among anime girls).
Then I'm editing out first implication, as legs_together would probably suffice for cases when there's no thigh_gap and only thighs are visible.
If there are other poses that should imply legs_together (as a tag for standing-sitting-etc legs-together poses), please let me know.

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