original / warrior_of_light_(ff14)

warrior_of_light_(ff14) -original : 9148
warrior_of_light_(ff14) original : 845

@Veraducks has started original to more warrior of light (ff14) posts, and I think that's a mistake. FFXIV player characters shouldn't be tagged original.

Original adds nothing to the posts of ffxiv player characters. Playing mix-and-match with a very limited set of faces and bodies doesn't get you an original copyright, that's ridiculous. Every warrior of light is instantly recognizable as a ffxiv character. 90% of the time there's no backstory or anything original at all, there's nothing beyond someone playing with sliders until they get the hottest catgirl they can think of, then commissioning art of her.

I'm obsessed with my own ffxiv character, but she's very much a ffxiv character, not an original one. Anyone seeing art of her doesn't think "nice OC," they think "oh, another ffxiv catgirl, how 'original'".

Vera pointed out that Mabinogi characters are consistently tagged original:
avatar_(mabinogi) original: 406
avatar_(mabinogi) -original: 0

But the three biggest MMO avatar tags are ffxiv, ffxii, and WOW, and the opposite is true for all of them:
avatar_(ff11) original: 2
avatar_(ff11) -original: 1911
avatar_(wow) original: 91
avatar_(wow) -original: 725

You cannot tell me that you can immediately tell that post #5858866, post #5865658, and post #5736511 are all the exact same copyright and the exact same title character.

And even if you, the person who professes to being obsessed with it, can, casual observers cannot. As I said ages ago in forum #187389, Original does double-duty as copytag and chartag.

I think it's actually significantly more important now to tag them as original due to topic #23694.

While on the face of it I would disagree with tagging original on Warrior of Light (FF14) posts, the recent changes induced by topic #23694 to now include official designs alongside player designs (moving away from the pure Avatar format I codified back in topic #19866 to nip the trend of chartag race tags in the bud) does provide a compelling argument base for adopting the usage of original with the tag now, even if the whole trend of Mabinogi avatars having original was wholly induced by Ver (even if it was something that he was guided on and supported on by mods and admins), since at the time of him doing that Avatar tags didn't exist (and in turn, him doing that made it way easier to tag Mabinogi's Avatar tag - cheers for that, friend)! But in this case, we're not talking about a tag that's just for player characters anymore. If this were pitched for FF11 or WoW, I'd oppose the motion, but there is valid ground here for FF14.

I'll also take the opportunity to point out that, despite the fact that the Warrior of Light tag encompasses more than half of the FF14 tag, I'm fairly certain the tag actually still hasn't been tagged onto all FF14 posts involving player characters... that's how much they take up FF14 on Danbooru.

Veraducks said:

You cannot tell me that you can immediately tell that post #5858866, post #5865658, and post #5736511 are all the exact same copyright and the exact same title character.

Hyur characters are obviously where my point is weakest, because art of them (not in in-game outfits, or with in-game weapons, or with recognizable in-game hairstyles, etc) isn't always obviously ffxiv. But basically every other race is instantly recognizable, not just to the obsessed but to anyone who's played the game.

I think it's actually significantly more important now to tag them as original due to topic #23694.

I think it's the opposite—if every player character is now tagged as the canonical Warrior of Light, that cements them even more as not-OC.

And, yes the warrior of light tag is now a mix of OC and Box Art Dude, but if you don't want to see him you can just add "-adventurer" to your search, instead of adding "original''. They would be equivalent searches with the same number of tags.

CoreMack said:

I think it's the opposite—if every player character is now tagged as the canonical Warrior of Light, that cements them even more as not-OC.

I think you're only saying that due to the naming convention rather than the meaning. If avatar_(mabinogi) was changed to the_milletian_(mabinogi), would they cease being an OC? I don't think that's the case.

CoreMack said:

And, yes the warrior of light tag is now a mix of OC and Box Art Dude, but if you don't want to see him you can just add "-adventurer" to your search, instead of adding "original''. They would be equivalent searches with the same number of tags.

Tangent:
Then why the heck did we get rid of avatar but keep adventurer and are tagging both on everything?

I don't see the problem of tagging original on non-box art WoLs. They are always original designs by definition.

As to why MMOs often don't get the original tag, I'd guess people just forget.

Also I really don't get why you're fixated with separating adventurer (ff14) from WoL. It's the same character. He is quite literally the first option for character creation.