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The_Bob said:
Is there a difference between screaming and shouting? Both tags exist, but the wikis don't do much to differentiate them. They're synonyms in my mind, so if we use them differently we should make that clearer.
I think the difference is that unlike screaming, shouting should be for when actual speech is shouted.
screaming in my mind doesnt include actual words
Mayhem-Chan said:
I think the difference is that unlike screaming, shouting should be for when actual speech is shouted.
screaming in my mind doesnt include actual words
There are a few hundred pages of textless pics tagged shouting, so if this is the distinction we're going with, there needs to be a serious cleanup.
The_Bob said:
Is there a difference between screaming and shouting? ... They're synonyms in my mind, so if we use them differently we should make that clearer.
They're also synonyms outside of your mind. Screaming has the connotation of being louder/more intense than shouting, but other than that they're used interchangeably - screaming, shouting and also yelling for that matter can all refer to both actual speech or just loud cries. Attempting to establish a new meaning for them on Danbooru that differs from the entire rest of the world would be little more than an exercise in futility.
I don't really care which we end up using, but we don't need two tags for the same thing. One should be aliased to the other.
AngryZapdos said:
They're also synonyms outside of your mind. Screaming has the connotation of being louder/more intense than shouting, but other than that they're used interchangeably - screaming, shouting and also yelling for that matter can all refer to both actual speech or just loud cries. Attempting to establish a new meaning for them on Danbooru that differs from the entire rest of the world would be little more than an exercise in futility.
I don't really care which we end up using, but we don't need two tags for the same thing. One should be aliased to the other.
Well, that's certainly overblowing the situation. Yes, they're synonyms, but synonym does not mean "exactly the same meaning 100% of the time". Screaming is usually imagined to be higher pitched, while shouting is lower pitched, screaming often doesn't involve intelligible speech, while shouting often does, screaming is more commonly attributed to fear, shouting is commonly attributed to anger. This is not a distinction Danbooru is inventing. It would not be all that odd to say screaming is something like this and shouting is something like this. A woman confronted by a monster in a horror movie screams, the Dovahkiin shouts.
blindVigil said:
Well, that's certainly overblowing the situation. Yes, they're synonyms, but synonym does not mean "exactly the same meaning 100% of the time". Screaming is usually imagined to be higher pitched, while shouting is lower pitched, screaming often doesn't involve intelligible speech, while shouting often does, screaming is more commonly attributed to fear, shouting is commonly attributed to anger. This is not a distinction Danbooru is inventing. It would not be all that odd to say screaming is something like this and shouting is something like this. A woman confronted by a monster in a horror movie screams, the Dovahkiin shouts.
A drill sergeant can scream instructions at his subordinates, and one can let out a surprised shout when they turn around and see something unexpected. No, it's not odd to say screaming is something like this and shouting is something like this, but the reverse is not uncommon either. As also evidenced by the hundreds of pages of results Bob mentioned of textless pics tagged shouting, there is undeniable ambiguity regarding the two terms due to their synonymous nature. Using synonyms as separate tags with different definitions is never a good idea.
Shouting generally refers to speaking in a loud and forceful manner, often to get someone's attention. It's a way of speaking at a higher volume than usual, but not necessarily with an aggressive tone. For example, a coach might shout out instructions to their team during a game.
Yelling is similar to shouting in terms of volume, but it often carries a connotation of anger, fear, or excitement. Yelling is usually more intense than shouting and may involve a raised or strained voice. For example, a parent might yell at their child for misbehaving or a fan might yell in excitement at a concert.
Screaming, on the other hand, is a more extreme form of vocalization that is usually associated with fear, pain, or intense emotions. Screaming involves a high-pitched and often harsh sound, and can be very alarming or even distressing to hear. For example, someone might scream in terror if they encounter a dangerous situation or scream in pain after being injured.
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Dramorian said:
Shouting generally refers to speaking in a loud and forceful manner, often to get someone's attention. It's a way of speaking at a higher volume than usual, but not necessarily with an aggressive tone. For example, a coach might shout out instructions to their team during a game.
Yelling is similar to shouting in terms of volume, but it often carries a connotation of anger, fear, or excitement. Yelling is usually more intense than shouting and may involve a raised or strained voice. For example, a parent might yell at their child for misbehaving or a fan might yell in excitement at a concert.
Screaming, on the other hand, is a more extreme form of vocalization that is usually associated with fear, pain, or intense emotions. Screaming involves a high-pitched and often harsh sound, and can be very alarming or even distressing to hear. For example, someone might scream in terror if they encounter a dangerous situation or scream in pain after being injured.
Okay, but how do we make those distinctions in visual art?
Dramorian said:
That's the neat part, you don't ©
Dunno, judging by facial expressions and situation. It's not that hard, I guess.
They feel like fine-grained, subjective distinctions that aren't at all made clear by the tag names (especially since yelling is already aliased to shouting). I'm leaning more and more toward just combining all of them.
