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Scaramouche (Genshin Impact)

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Astolfo

So, Scaramouche's playable form has officially been revealed - in spite of being the same character, there's both an aesthetic redesign, and a name change (the playable name is Wanderer): post #5787742

How should we handle his tagging? Alias Scaramouche to Wanderer and tag both appearances together? Tag the old NPC appearance as Scaramouche_(Genshin_Impact) and the new playable appearance as Wanderer_(Genshin_Impact) and maybe have the latter imply the former?

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Jisadel

Astolfo said:

So, Scaramouche's playable form has officially been revealed - in spite of being the same character, there's both an aesthetic redesign, and a name change (the playable name is Wanderer): post #5787742

How should we handle his tagging? Alias Scaramouche to Wanderer and tag both appearances together? Tag the old NPC appearance as Scaramouche_(Genshin_Impact) and the new playable appearance as Wanderer_(Genshin_Impact) and maybe imply them together?

Here's what I think:

Keep both tags separate, but alias Scaramouche (Wanderer) (Genshin Impact) to Wanderer (Genshin Impact), then have Wanderer (Genshin Impact) imply Scaramouche (Genshin Impact).

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Jisadel

BUR #13010 has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

create alias scaramouche_(wanderer)_(genshin_impact) -> wanderer_(genshin_impact)
create implication wanderer_(genshin_impact) -> scaramouche_(genshin_impact)

Since the two characters are one and the same, with the guy taking on the name "Wanderer" for his playable appearance, where he dons a different attire. Different from the "Childe" situation where he is still wearing the same clothes as "Tartaglia" (his playable appearance), thus only needing an alias and nothing more.

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LetsDancing

HeeroWingZero said:

Looks like that outfit and one other are both tagged Kuronushi (genshin impact). It seems to be underused, but I'm also not sure if that's a correct name, isn't his Inazuma name Kunikuzushi?

Kunikuzushi is his real name, yes. Kuronushi refers to how he was depicted in the Irodori Festival event, where he and four other characters were representing other figures of a story, The Five Kasen (see post #5310336).

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evazion

Wikis shouldn't contain spoiler tags in general. If it's vital information you need to know to understand the character, then it should be out in the open. If it's a spoiler and it's not vital information, then it shouldn't be in the wiki to begin with.

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magcolo

HeeroWingZero said:

Looks like that outfit and one other are both tagged Kuronushi (genshin impact). It seems to be underused, but I'm also not sure if that's a correct name, isn't his Inazuma name Kunikuzushi?

LetsDancing said:

Kunikuzushi is his real name, yes. Kuronushi refers to how he was depicted in the Irodori Festival event, where he and four other characters were representing other figures of a story, The Five Kasen (see post #5310336).

We'd better separate the two, then. Should it be scaramouche (kunikuzushi) (genshin impact) or just kunikuzushi (genshin impact)?

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LetsDancing

magcolo said:

We'd better separate the two, then. Should it be scaramouche (kunikuzushi) (genshin impact) or just kunikuzushi (genshin impact)?

Kunikuzushi and Scaramouche actively refer to the same person, with Scaramouche being the far more common name used. Only Kuronushi had a different context and outfit portrayed (a lot of information regarding the appearances of the Five Kasen wasn't known, so they ended up being drawn by using other characters as models for them, with their clothing adapted to story anecdotes; in this case, Scaramouche was used as the model for Kuronushi), and the Kuronushi attire already has its own tag, so I'm a bit unclear on what you mean to separate here.

Are you referring to Scaramouche's basic Harbinger outfit he's most commonly seen in? If so, couldn't Scaramouche's base character tag just be used for that? The Wanderer and Kuronushi outfits seem like situations where both Scaramouche's character tag and the character tag for the alternate outfit would be provided.

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LetsDancing

magcolo said:

Kuronushi is currently tagged on two different outfits, and according to the posts above one of them is the Kunikuzushi form? If not then we’ll need a name for it.

Ah, I see the situation now. Apologies for not looking at the other posts more closely.

I've already explained the Five Kasen outfit - that outfit is the one that should be associated with the Kuronushi story.

The other outfit seen in post #5789622 (the one with the white vest) was shown in one of Sumeru's story cutscenes, describing some of Scaramouche's life prior to becoming a Fatui Harbinger. To my knowledge, this outfit has not been given any particular name.

The white-vested outfit should not be associated with Kuronushi. I think official_alternate_costume is likely the safest approach, as Scaramouche's real name of Kunikuzushi is only brought up a select few times in the story (and one of those was during a limited-time event). Trying to associate Scaramouche's real name with an outfit from his past just sounds like it could lead to confusion.

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magcolo

LetsDancing said:

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The white-vested outfit should not be associated with Kuronushi. I think official_alternate_costume is likely the safest approach, as Scaramouche's real name of Kunikuzushi is only brought up a select few times in the story (and one of those was during a limited-time event). Trying to associate Scaramouche's real name with an outfit from his past just sounds like it could lead to confusion.

The white outfit should still be removed from Kuronushi at least, official alternate costume is expected to be tagged either way, but it’s easily forgotten and, being an outfit with a certain degree of fan recognition, it’d be nice to have a tag for it. Tho it’s unclear how it should be done, since it has no name, and possibly no fan nickname either?

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LetsDancing

magcolo said:

The white outfit should still be removed from Kuronushi at least, official alternate costume is expected to be tagged either way, but it’s easily forgotten and, being an outfit with a certain degree of fan recognition, it’d be nice to have a tag for it. Tho it’s unclear how it should be done, since it has no name, and possibly no fan nickname either?

I certainly agree with removing Kuronushi from this, though after a bit of thought and looking things up, the reasons are unfortunately muddier than I realized.

A lot of rather subtle lore items (as in, a combination of a limited-time event, note interactables in Inazuma, and an artifact set's description) seem to associate Scaramouche with the setting of one of the scenes in the Sumeru cutscene I mentioned, where he wore the aforementioned white-vested outfit. This happens to line up with events described in the Irodori Festival, where the things learned about Scaramouche led to him being depicted as Kuronushi.

If it wasn't a name confusion with Kunikuzushi (which is apparently a name Scaramouche picked out for himself, so I'm even more wrong), I might see some logic linking Kuronushi with this costume, but:

  • At no point during the subtle lore hints do we actually know for certain what Scaramouche was wearing when all this specifically happened
  • The Kuronushi costume already pointed to his depiction as one of the Five Kasen, and having one character tag referring to two costumes is a bit nonsense
  • I really doubt a typical user of Danbooru is going to know most of this

That said, when it comes to giving it a proper name, that's a problem I have no good answer to.

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