Bridget - Guilty Gear Strive

blindVigil said:

Bridget has not transitioned. This point is irrelevant to the discussion, nor has anyone insinuated that being trans is some kind of on/off switch.

What do you classify as transitioning, then? Because according to the Merriam-Webster:

A process by which a transgender person comes to live in accordance with their gender identity through changes to their appearance and presentation often with the aid of medical procedures and therapies

And, I don't know, but Bridget literally saying that she's a girl over to Goldlewis and Ky in that one scene, and Daisuke Ishiwatari himself, coming out of the shadows to say that in fact, she's a girl, sounds like a gender transition to me. You can't determine whether somebody else has transitioned or not like that.

Kamsthetics said:

I use this site as much as anybody else. But it is rather sickening to see this many arguments over something so simple. Being trans is not a toggle you can put on or off, neither is gender affiliated with biological chromosomes or genitalia. And yet, every single person in here has to go out of their way to say these things, just making it difficult for everyone else to just tag things as how they are.

If so is everyone so terrified of gender identity, why don't we change gender tags to biological chromosomes? At the end, if you don't respect anybody who identifies as a woman after transitioning, you can also have the same energy towards cis women or men too, right? If we get rid of gendered tags and create chromosome_xx, for characters that bear a vagina and chromosome_xy, for characters who bear a penis. (Or even chromosome_xxy for characters like kaine_(nier) who are confirmed to be intersex!)

Sounds dumb and complicated? Well then, just replace her gender tag to 1girl. Simple as that. There's no denying that she is not a woman in the latest entry of the game because the creator of the series himself said that she's a woman.

I don't think we'd have at least four previous threads (three of which led nowhere) if it were as simple as you're describing. This is not the real life, this is an imageboard. Bridget was treated as male and has identified themselves as male since their debut. Even if the character now identifies themselves as female, there's no way to ignore that the character has been male for 20 years.

mongirlfan said:

I don't think we'd have at least four previous threads (three of which led nowhere) if it were as simple as you're describing. This is not the real life, this is an imageboard. Bridget was treated as male and has identified themselves as male since their debut. Even if the character now identifies themselves as female, there's no way to ignore that the character has been male for 20 years.

How about This nonsense If they're not biologically female then tag them male stop bringing Politics here.

c.c.gundam101 said:

How about This nonsense If they're not biologically female then tag them male stop bringing Politics here.

Its and anime character. They dont have biology.

i'm personally on the side of just tagging her just her strive appearance as 1girl, but i find it strange that her wiki page uses she/her pronouns and says she's transgender, yet she's still tagged as 1boy.
it's a bit confusing to me, this site respects her identity but also doesn't at the same time.

morriganaensland said:

i'm personally on the side of just tagging her just her strive appearance as 1girl, but i find it strange that her wiki page uses she/her pronouns and says she's transgender, yet she's still tagged as 1boy.
it's a bit confusing to me, this site respects her identity but also doesn't at the same time.

It was the doing of a single user, no consensus were made about using female pronouns or treating the character as transgender in Bridget's wiki page, and yeah, the situation of tagging the character as 1boy but having female pronouns in the wiki is strange indeed. The wiki had neutral pronouns before, which I consider the best approach for now.

mongirlfan said:

It was the doing of a single user, no consensus were made about using female pronouns or treating the character as transgender in Bridget's wiki page, and yeah, the situation of tagging the character as 1boy but having female pronouns in the wiki is strange indeed. The wiki had neutral pronouns before, which I consider the best approach for now.

if we were to keep tagging bridget as 1boy, then either your approach with the neutral pronouns or like a note about the tag would work imo. something like "despite bridget identifying as a girl, she will be tagged as 1boy due to rules in the site" or something like that

c.c.gundam101 said:

How about This nonsense If they're not biologically female then tag them male stop bringing Politics here.

The works that we're uploading images of are going to bring the politics here at some point as shown multiple times before.

I still agree with what was said in forum #218990.

Canti said:
The works that we're uploading images of are going to bring the politics here at some point as shown multiple times before.

Better way to look at it is "what I expect searching tag x to show or not" and not "how to apply tag x". For this it naturally involves personal preferences and a lot of pulling in different directions.

Also it's interesting to finally hear about Lily's reasoning. That doesn't seem stable though as the series ages and more spoiler-ridden fanart shows up, there's no such pretense for a more well-known character like fujisaki_chihiro

Kamsthetics said:
(Or even chromosome_xxy for characters like kaine_(nier) who are confirmed to be intersex!)

Sounds dumb and complicated? Well then, just replace her gender tag to 1girl. Simple as that. There's no denying that she is not a woman in the latest entry of the game because the creator of the series himself said that she's a woman.

She's not intersex thats just a mistranslation from trashy far left gaming sites. There is no official confirmation or even hinting, so it's just plain wrong.

Bionicman76 said:

She's not intersex thats just a mistranslation from trashy far left gaming sites. There is no official confirmation or even hinting, so it's just plain wrong.

Didn't the series' creator confirm it? Not a mistranslation, right?

But no, they wouldn't be intersex. I think you mean something else; that's the wrong word to use here.

Wouldn't the best solution here just be... to not add any gender tags? No 1boy nor 1girl nor 1other tags, just nothing?

This is far from an ideal choice to do, but it could least act as a temporary solution. No one can get upset if there's no gender tags included at all.

And for people familiar with this franchise: Would you say it's a spoiler at all to the story?

sadodere said:

Didn't the series' creator confirm it? Not a mistranslation, right?

Yes, there's an official interview in both English and Japanese posted to the official Guilty Gear site where Daisuke, creator of the GG series says, in no uncertain terms, Bridget self-identifies as a woman, now.

sadodere said:

Wouldn't the best solution here just be... to not add any gender tags? No 1boy nor 1girl nor 1other tags, just nothing?

This is far from an ideal choice to do, but it could least act as a temporary solution. No one can get upset if there's no gender tags included at all.

And for people familiar with this franchise: Would you say it's a spoiler at all to the story?

Then Bridget wouldn't show up in certain searches at all, defeating the purpose of even having a tagging system. People being upset isn't a good enough reason for us to just not tag things at all.

It might have been a spoiler if the entire internet hadn't been talking about it for weeks, and the creator having to clarify something that was never "vague" or "ambiguous" further shuts down that idea. It's just a small self-contained arcade mode story, anyway.

Bionicman76 said:

She's not intersex thats just a mistranslation from trashy far left gaming sites. There is no official confirmation or even hinting, so it's just plain wrong.

it's literally on her character page in the remake's website, and yes, before you go cite the japanese website (the non-remake sites included), it says that too. but this is about Bridget, not your incorrect takes about Kainé.

anyways, about the topic of spoilers, even if the internet wasn't raving about this topic, I still wouldn't consider it one. the in-game lore library, GG World, uses she/her for Bridget ever since she was released, so players wouldn't even have to complete her arcade run to find out.

morriganaensland said:

but this is about Bridget, not your incorrect takes about Kainé.

I’m pretty sure sadodere and blindVigil misunderstood Bionicman76 and were talking about Bridget, not Kainé.

kittey said:

I’m pretty sure sadodere and blindVigil misunderstood Bionicman76 and were talking about Bridget, not Kainé.

Yes, I did misunderstand that part I realize;;

blindVigil said:
Then Bridget wouldn't show up in certain searches at all, defeating the purpose of even having a tagging system. People being upset isn't a good enough reason for us to just not tag things at all.

I don't think anyone wants that. Anyway.

• For bridget_(guilty_gear) guilty_gear_strive is:nsfw I don't think there's any argument foragainst tagging as male for almost all of this. "Almost" because genderswap.
• For bridget_(guilty_gear) guilty_gear_strive is:sfw what are most users expecting? Male or female?

Bridget's a girl, so she should be tagged as one. Seems simple to me.

Either y'all gotta kick the bigots out and update your tag names/definitions to deal with characters and subjects in a way that's respectful or you'll end up a terrible fascist spawning ground.

Can't we do something like a tag for biological sex and one for gender identity?