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Half the tags in it are neither tagged loli (lolidom -loli) nor femdom (lolidom -femdom) and even fewer (lolidom -femdom -loli). I'm open to either an implication or manually updating the posts. However, on the other hand, the same search of lolidom can also be made by searching loli femdom which makes the tag useless hence the nuke direction. I'm open to whichever decision is made. There was a brief comment on this tag on forum #210883
DangerNightime said:
Half the tags in it are neither tagged loli (lolidom -loli) nor femdom (lolidom -femdom) and even fewer (lolidom -femdom -loli). I'm open to either an implication or manually updating the posts. However, on the other hand, the same search of lolidom can also be made by searching loli femdom which makes the tag useless hence the nuke direction. I'm open to whichever decision is made. There was a brief comment on this tag on forum #210883
I assume the purpose of the tag is to find where the loli is the dom, not the sub. loli femdom would not find this.
Implication sounds right.
I also feel the need to explain myself here:
The idea was a tag like 'kiddom' for cases where the younger partner is the dominant one. However as that name doesn't induce suspension of disbelief it was a bad one. Then I just made it lolidom.
Half of the problem comes from Danbooru lacking a non-stupid loli tag. In reality we don't have a loli tag; just a explicit loli tag. Just by probing ロリ in pixiv (favgroup:14591) we get that without using an ungodly and useless tag combination at least half of loli artwork is untagged.
lllIllllIllllIll said:
Half of the problem comes from Danbooru lacking a non-stupid loli tag. In reality we don't have a loli tag; just a explicit loli tag. Just by probing ロリ in pixiv (favgroup:14591) we get that without using an ungodly and useless tag combination at least half of loli artwork is untagged.
Expanding loli to include non-explicit depictions of female children wouldn't be any better. Female child, and male child too for shota, have been a long time coming though, but no one's resolved yet to create them.
Personally I've always wished danbooru would use loli/shota in a general descriptive way rather than as a R18 designator (something like post #5375961 is so loli that it's painful). It would be much more accurately aligned with how they are used in Japanese 2D subculture and would also no longer feed into the common western misconception that loli/shota refers to erotic art only. It would obviously offer no benefit to the site itself however given how the hidden tag system works (unless it can reconfigured to work with a tag/rating combo), and the community generally does not seem interested in the matter.
Some ranting, please don't bother reading:
The loli tagging guidelines have always been extremely confusing to me, a majority of the examples given in the wiki under adolescent are obviously loli and petite seems to have always been severely underused. The same character by the same artist with the same bodytype can either get tagged or not tagged loli completely arbitrarily. Judgments passed in the check thread are equally arbitrary. I'm aware that I am somewhat of a joke of a contributor/tagger so complaining about inconsistencies might be arrogant of me but this has always struck me as a very odd system. Further adding to the confusion with the rating revamp there are now thousands of "ecchi, sexy, suggestive, or mildly erotic" that are tagged child. Are all these posts now supposed to be tagged loli/shota?
不失者 said:
Personally I've always wished danbooru would use loli/shota in a general descriptive way rather than as a R18 designator (something like post #5375961 is so loli that it's painful). It would be much more accurately aligned with how they are used in Japanese 2D subculture and would also no longer feed into the common western misconception that loli/shota refers to erotic art only. It would obviously offer no benefit to the site itself however given how the hidden tag system works (unless it can reconfigured to work with a tag/rating combo), and the community generally does not seem interested in the matter.
As much as it would technically be more accurate to how the Japanese use the terms, that misconception does have its roots in the origins of the former. Besides, Danbooru (and booru sites as a whole) will typically conform to the conceptions of the target demographic, misconceptions included. After all, we still use yaoi and yuri as generalized terms for male/female homosexual relations, we tried to use christmas cake for its slang usage only to give up because it was used for actual christmas cakes only, let's not forget the eternal fighting that always happens when some discuss the dickgirl fetish tags, etc.
lllIllllIllllIll said:
remove lolidom -> loli, loli only covers sexually explicit artwork.
Hmm, just want to say that I don't agree with that, loli covers sexually explicit or sexually suggestive content, lolidom's wiki states it should be a sexual relation and it wouldn't make sense making a tag called lolidom not imply loli, even if our definition of loli is different from the Japanese's, lolidom rating:s only have a few posts and many of them shouldn't even be tagged with lolidom at all.
However, I can see someone saying that's the price to pay so you don't have to do a complex search to find any images with younger dominant female partners that aren't loli, so I don't completely oppose it also, although I'm pretty sure that's not something that someone searching for lolidom wants to see.
Updated
Honestly, I feel that the tag is kinda junk to begin with. It was created and tagged almost exclusively by one person - who is now showing that he disagrees with the usage of loli to begin with - and more than a third of the images aren't tagged loli. As I said in forum #210883, I think the /dom and /sub tags invite a whole host of issues and, as I've seen on other sites, tend to spiral into ridiculous tag trees for perceived power dynamics and whose dick is in whom.
The bulk update request #10457 (forum #213366) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
