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Will suggestive dialogue or profanity be tagged as general, in instances where it's clearly not safe for work kind of dialogue.
For example, a safe post of two characters discussing getting fucked in the butt: post #5087944
Or some girl cheering on viewer's penis: post #1825168
The help:cheatsheet page needs to be updated in regards to the ratings split. Page appears to be locked so this needs a builder(?) or moderator to do. The main change would just be to include the new rating definitions under the 'Post Qualifiers' section.
Furthermore while checking to see which of the new ratings contributed against tag search limits, I found that *none* of the rating: metatags count against the limit, while the limitations section clearly states that only rating:safe previously counted against search limits.
Treia said:
The help:cheatsheet page needs to be updated in regards to the ratings split. Page appears to be locked so this needs a builder(?) or moderator to do. The main change would just be to include the new rating definitions under the 'Post Qualifiers' section.
Furthermore while checking to see which of the new ratings contributed against tag search limits, I found that *none* of the rating: metatags count against the limit, while the limitations section clearly states that only rating:safe previously counted against search limits.
Updated both matters.
@pronebone said:
Will suggestive dialogue or profanity be tagged as general, in instances where it's clearly not safe for work kind of dialogue.
For example, a safe post of two characters discussing getting fucked in the butt: post #5087944
Or some girl cheering on viewer's penis: post #1825168
First one should stay sensitive because the brown-haired girl boy is visibly in heat in the second panel
Second one should be S if we decide all implied_erection is S. Otherwise should stay G because most can't read what it says; would definitely make it S if it was English text though. If language doesn't matter then all NSFW text should S
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LQ said:
First one should stay sensitive because the brown girl is visibly in heat in the second panel
Second one should be S if we decide all implied_erection is S. Otherwise should stay G because most can't read what it says; would definitely make it S if it was English text though. If language doesn't matter then all NSFW text should S
If the second is G without context, then so is the the first one, because drooling without context isn't inherently sexual. She could just be hungry.
blindVigil said:
If the second is G without context, then so is the the first one, because drooling without context isn't inherently sexual. She could just be hungry.
Fair enough. Glowing blush added too, but I suppose hungry drooling characters often suddenly blush as well especially if it's just showing the hungry/horny person has reverted to a carnal state. The white pupils also add to the effect here even though it's just the art style for all the characters.
Also the main question is that whether a suggestive dialogue be general or not, like if you omit the drooling of that post would it be sensitive or general, it's not stated in howto:rate afaik
A fair argument. I am not a programmer. My knowledge of code ended with DOS way back when. However, to turn everything "safe" to "sensitive" out of an abundance of caution and convenience is wrong and an insult to the artists we support.
I could see such a drastic change being made 10 years ago without care, but not now. Too much good has come in terms of quality control since then. If we are to continue in this way, perhaps certain tags need to be grandfathered in. Scenery, landscape, cityscape ect. But even then there are so many "General" images that don't carry those tags.
Unless of course the intent is to simply accept the collateral damage and press forward with no regard to previous posts. Which is my assumption.
LQ said:
If it's common enough, perhaps for a bit there could be a thread for users with many G uploads (like me and you) to have a moderator bulk convert all their S uploads to G. Maybe you could even provide a fav group of posts you don't want included as an exception if it's a small amount like 1%.
Btw, for the howto:rate page, can anyone add info regarding levels of affection acceptable for G/S? Like I'd logically guess that hugs and handholding would go to G (assuming no other elements heighten the rating), and heavier makeouts/french kissing or whatever would go into S, but having a more formalized note would make me feel "safer". I ain't exactly sure if "regular" kisses are too much for G, for example.
And maybe some guidelines for drug usage depicted...? Like if it's off-limits for G or doesn't matter.
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Is something like post #5370349 really sensitive? What determines it in this specific image?
Tsumanne said:
General is obligated to be squeaky clean, and not the mess of softcore porn that Safe used to be. Having some General things end up in Sensitive is far preferable to anything Sensitve ending up in General. Things like post #5356160 are exactly why we can't just automate anything into G just because it's tagged scenery.
@Tsumanne said:
[...] to turn everything "safe" to "sensitive" out of an abundance of caution and convenience is wrong and an insult to the artists we support.
It's just a label for searching and making NSFW content more available. It doesn't really affect post discovery too much overall. Wouldn't say it even affects the artists at all.
I wouldn't worry too much about it being called "sensitive" as "safe" didn't really mean "safe" before either. Just treat it as "potentially unsafe", "potentially NSFW", "potentially upsetting", "might be lewd", etc., even if it should actually be General.
@不失者 said:
Is something like post #5370349 really sensitive? What determines it in this specific image?
That one might be in a grey area, but I put it back as S because the chest is almost completely exposed; the sheer clothing reveals a lot so it seems mildly risqué. Feel free to revert, but I erred on the side of caution.
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Tsumanne said:
A fair argument. I am not a programmer. My knowledge of code ended with DOS way back when. However, to turn everything "safe" to "sensitive" out of an abundance of caution and convenience is wrong and an insult to the artists we support.
We had that happen before when the first ratings were introduced.
Everything uploaded to that point ended up rated as questionable by default.
Simply because "safe" was way more restrictive that "questionable", and you don't want false-positives in rating:s or, now, rating:g. However, having false-positives in the other direction is far more preferable, because no one who wants to browse Danbooru in public should browse q or e (and now s).
LQ said:
First one should stay sensitive because the brown girl is visibly in heat in the second panel
Second one should be S if we decide all implied_erection is S. Otherwise should stay G because most can't read what it says; would definitely make it S if it was English text though. If language doesn't matter then all NSFW text should S
I think a language-agnostic approach makes sense here. It would be awkward for a rating:g user to click on a seemingly normal post only to get hit with someone's fetish. (Though of course, if you genuinely can't read a post you're uploading, that's another story - the translator would just have to rerate.)
The default blacklist also needs to be changed to either "furry -rating:g" or "furry -rating:s,g" or else stuff like post #4388078 will be blocked (for new comers). @evazion
