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body_fur implications

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AngryZapdos

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create implication red_fur -> body_fur
create implication orange_fur -> body_fur
create implication yellow_fur -> body_fur
create implication green_fur -> body_fur
create implication blue_fur -> body_fur
create implication purple_fur -> body_fur
create implication pink_fur -> body_fur
create implication white_fur -> body_fur
create implication black_fur -> body_fur
create implication grey_fur -> body_fur
create implication brown_fur -> body_fur
create implication aqua_fur -> body_fur
create implication multicolored_fur -> body_fur
create implication two-tone_fur -> multicolored_fur
create implication spotted_fur -> multicolored_fur
create implication striped_fur -> multicolored_fur
create implication gradient_fur -> multicolored_fur

Various implications for kinds of body fur.

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mortalkombachan

iridescent_slime said:

What is body_fur even for? So many of the posts tagged <color>_fur don't even look like fur at all, like post #5070058 or post #5309619. If the characters didn't have animal noses, we'd be tagging them <color>_skin instead. For posts like these, body_fur would be nothing more than a duplicate furry tag.

I'm certain body fur wasn't supposed to be used with furry as it becomes pretty redundant like that. Body fur should be used for the more human looking characters tha happen to have fur in some parts of their bodies, like monster girls, some kemonomimi, super saiyan 4, etc. Also forum #177914

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nonamethanks

body_fur furry has 4k results, once again proof that nobody's going to bother reading wikis for tags with "obvious" names.

iridescent_slime said:

What is body_fur even for? So many of the posts tagged <color>_fur don't even look like fur at all, like post #5070058 or post #5309619. If the characters didn't have animal noses, we'd be tagging them <color>_skin instead. For posts like these, body_fur would be nothing more than a duplicate furry tag.

That's what I've been doing, just using color_skin for furry characters. I don't see a reason not to be able to search for blue furry characters with blue skin. It's technically incorrect but the alternative is having a stupid and complicated search system.

Honestly I'd be fine just deprecating color_fur tags. I doubt someone's going to search for cat black_fur, they're just going to search for black cat. Furries' fur color can be handled with x_skin, and for random clothing articles and fur trims I don't think we should be tagging the individual color of every patch of fur.

I don't have a solution for retaining body fur for non-furry characters, other than that tag name has to change. We can argue all we want about not encouraging stupid users but that name is doomed.

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AngryZapdos

mongirlfan said:

I'm certain body fur wasn't supposed to be used with furry as it becomes pretty redundant like that. Body fur should be used for the more human looking characters tha happen to have fur in some parts of their bodies, like monster girls, some kemonomimi, super saiyan 4, etc. Also forum #177914

Given the tags' name is "furry" this sounds reasonable on a surface level, but not all furry characters have fur (post #4512297, post #4256961, post #4853571, post #3711779 etc.), so body_fur is hardly redundant. However, I agree that posts featuring patches of fur rather than a full coat are difficult to find amongst the latter. I'd fully support the creation of a body_fur_patches tag for this kind of thing (feel free to come up with a better name).

nonamethanks said:

Honestly I'd be fine just deprecating color_fur tags. I doubt someone's going to search for cat black_fur, they're just going to search for black cat. Furries' fur color can be handled with x_skin, and for random clothing articles and fur trims I don't think we should be tagging the individual color of every patch of fur.

Tagging things like post #5279178 and post #5282630 as white_skin/black_skin and yellow_skin is absurd. People searching for x_skin tags aren't looking for these kinds of posts; they're trying to find stuff like post #5252703. Lumping all of these posts together would be like aliasing cardigan to jacket because "they're pretty much the same article of clothing, just made of a different material". There's no real reason to destroy this less-than-mild distinction.

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AngryZapdos

nonamethanks said:

Searching for a specific concept via exclusion of another tag never works. You're trying to do something akin to searching for extra arms by tagging two arms on all pics of normal humans and then doing -two_arms to find exceptions.

The vast majority of furry -body_fur is still going to be normal furries because it's tautological tagging and a lot of users don't bother to do that.

Ordinarily I'd agree but the very same argument is applicable to stuffed_animal, which I tried to do away with in favor of stuffed_toy for the exact same reasons. However, this was universally shot down, with exclusion searching being touted as a main reason. If a large amount of users can find use in this kind of searching, then forcing them to adopt a seperate method they find to be inferior can only be described as foolish.

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mortalkombachan

AngryZapdos said:

Ordinarily I'd agree but the very same argument is applicable to stuffed_animal, which I tried to do away with in favor of stuffed_toy for the exact same reasons. However, this was universally shot down, with exclusion searching being touted as a main reason. If a large amount of users can find use in this kind of searching, then forcing them to adopt a seperate method they find to be inferior can only be described as foolish.

Regarding that forum I think removing the implication stuffed animal > stuffed toy and making both tags mutually exclusive could do the job, but you suggested just aliasing both.
This is what was intended for the body fur tag, to be exclusive with Furry.
But here, you mean a way for someone to search a Furry with no fur, by excluding the body fur tag in a search. Wouldn't it be better to just create a furless furry tag in that case?

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