[Fate] Artoria Caster & Lostbelt Morgan

Kyuzeth

The current tag Artoria Pendragon (Caster) (Fate) is, frankly, blatantly incorrect, if not misleading. Below, I will explain in spoiler tags why that is the case (FGO Lostbelt nr. 6 spoilers), and why the tag should simply be Artoria Caster (Fate).

Artoria Caster is actually not 'our' Artoria Pendragon. She's really a wholly unique entity spawned from the English Lostbelt, the Child of Prophecy who is meant to bring salvation to Faerie Britain. In truth, she has absolutely zero relation to PHH Artoria, and I feel that information should be properly respected.

Likewise, I would suggest that Lostbelt Morgan be appropriately tagged: something like Morgan (Lostbelt) (Fate). She, too, is not a Lostbelt equivalent of her PHH counterpart; her real identity is Tonelico, the original Child of Prophecy. There's a whole shitload of time travel stuff going on that's currently really tough to explain, but suffice it to say that Lostbelt Morgan is very much a distinct entity compared to PHH Morgan; because she's not really Morgan.

I hope the outline here is clear enough, but I'll try to answer any questions if something's unclear. I'm simply trying to convey what FGO proper has established.

Thank you for reading, and have a good day.

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Astolfo

almost 3 years ago

Being brutally honest, this is all frankly a whole bunch of FGO nonsense. Every passing year in FGO adds more nonsense and technicalities to the universe/characters; from the end of 2020 until now we've had more characters where the game/plot goes "UM ACKSHUALLY IT'S NOT X, BUT IT'S Y MASQUERADING AS X" and similar twists, than regular characters that are just who they are introduced as/marketed as/meant to be (see: Van Gogh, Fairy Knights, Artoria Caster, Koyanskaya, Morgan, Dobrynya, etc etc).

If Morgan is marketed as Morgan, sold as Morgan, named Morgan in-game without anything specific beyond that, then our tag should just be Morgan. From a tagging perspective, there's no real reason to introduce this specificity because of contrived lore technicalities when, for all intents and purposes they look identical. At one point they even give her the same veil regular Morgan has in Apocrypha, and when "real Morgan" appears in FGO she has the exact same sprite that "Lostbelt Morgan" does.
So from a tagging perspective, when people are going to look up Morgan on Danbooru to crank one out they're not going to be all like "hmm today I will jack off to Tonelico the original Child of Prophecy who masquerades as Morgan but isn't actually Morgan". They're just going to look up the character named Morgan they rolled for in FGO and crank one out to Morgan even if TECHNICALLY BECAUSE FGO LORE it's not exactly accurate.

Similarly with Artoria Caster, although I suppose the tag name COULD be changed to just "Artoria Caster" if that's what she's named in game, like how we have Jeanne d'Arc Alter Santa Lily - but we all know this technicality was only introduced to sell yet another variation of Artoria, in a class that they originally explictly said she didn't qualify as, rather than for any storytelling purposes.

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Benit149

almost 3 years ago

Astolfo said:
Being brutally honest, this is all frankly a whole bunch of FGO nonsense.

Seconded. There have been more than enough times where the game introduces a character, then a tag is produced based on the information that’s given, only for the game to turn around and say, “Well actually, they’re NOT this character, but we reused their character design for a convoluted plot reason, but you and I all know the reason is to market the original character all over again,” blah blah blah, which means an additional editing nightmare for us. Koyanskaya has been the absolute worst example of this, but Van Gogh and Amor Caren come to mind with the stupid amount of editing that needed to be done for them.

So no. Sorry to say this, mate, but we’re a little Fate-tigued at this point. We’re sick of FGO’s story-related nonsense and are sticking to the facts as much as possible while not allowing the Fate whirlpool to suck us in with its convoluted technicalities.

(Sorry for the terrible pun.)

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elgee

almost 3 years ago

And then y'all will change your minds when PHH Morgan is eventually released.

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Astolfo

almost 3 years ago

elgee said:
And then y'all will change your minds when PHH Morgan is eventually released.

Considering the Morgan they already sold is literally just called Morgan and has basically the same design, clothes included (bar a few minor details), as the real Morgan we've seen before in Apocrypha or such, I have my doubts about this actually happening. The game uses the same sprite for "real Morgan" and "Lostbelt Morgan", even.

And if it does happen, we can take care of it then? I don't think it's an issue to handle a problem if it arises, rather than make contrived-lore-based tag changes on the possibility that eventually maybe in 4 years FGO will sell Morgan again. I mean at most we could change it to "Morgan (Fate)" if it's REALLY that big of a deal that "technically the le Fay part is incorrect for Lostbelt Morgan", but the inclusion of (Lostbelt) in the tag makes no sense insofar as real Morgan and Lostbelt Morgan look the same thus far.

That said, I'm all for aliasing Artoria Pendragon (Caster) to Artoria Caster.

Updated almost 3 years ago

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