Change the Boku no Hero Academia characters to their Hero Names

I agree with Astolfo, I don't think characters like mirko should get qualified.

Please don't try to circle too much around the Mirko discussion but vote for it, if you agree or disagree with the qualifier. In this case the real name is already aliased to her hero name, so if the BUR is rejected by evazion, we're not losing anything. If it's approved, then we know evazions stance. My stance is, that it's a pretty common name and as we try to get slowly rid of single-name characters, I don't think we should keep her like that too.

blindVigil said:

We could honestly forgo hero name aliases for the kids altogether, it's only in recent chapters that they've started seeing actual use in-universe. It's extremely unlikely that, aside from Deku, anyone would be searching for them by their very new hero names over the civilian names they've been using since the start.

I disagree for some part. I know that a lot of the hero names of those guys aren't that important, but Deku, Froppy, Uravity, Shoto and even Ingenium are pretty common now. And I wouldn't really alias Iida Tensei too Ingenium, because of how often Iida Tenya started to shout out his new hero name in the series. Plus, we don't know how much more of a focus it will be in the future. And if you really want to search for Iida Tensei, you have to search for "Iida" anyway, knowing that we won't change the students name. I hope that autocomplete will be enough in this case, but I can still make a separate BUR for him. I don't really want to lump him into the big one now.

Astolfo said:

I agree with the sentiment, but it's annoying that the BUR is being used twofold not just to change the names, but also to staple qualifiers to a bunch of characters that don't need it at all, under the guise of "maybe it sounds like it could be from yugioh..." (but it isn't so why does it matter?) and "maybe it sounds like it could become ambiguous..." (okay but they aren't and probably will never be, so?)
It was said that this kind of "qualify everything lol" logic would be kept to gachas before, which was already not necessary in many cases in the first place, and now here we are where it's making its way into other media too. A majority of these are unambiguous (=don't conflict with anything else) and don't need a qualifier. Sure, stuff like Tiger or Trumpet needs one obviously. A lot of these don't, though.

I did really think we would have a bubbleman tag from the yu gi oh character, but in the end it was only a bubble man from mega man. If you search for "bubble.." you will in the end see several characters starting with "bubble.." but no qualifier. I do think it's better to separate them by search, not with try and error, given that not everyone knows the characters here anyway.
I'm more on UNBs side of the first BUR. There are a lot of characters who just have a two english words put together that could be anything else. Fat gum for example, or power loader etc. As I do think, that a lot of them should have the qualifier, I was especially asking who you guys think shouldn't have one, because everytime I look at the BUR I can only see a handful of those characters I could argue it's fine if they have none.

create alias sakamata_kugo -> gang_orca
create alias takeyama_yu -> mount_lady
create alias shuuzenji_chiyo -> Recovery_Girl
create alias nishiya_shinji -> kamui_woods
create alias hakamada_tsunagu -> Best_Jeanist

create alias inui_ryo -> Hound_dog
create alias ishiyama_ken -> cementoss
create alias torino_sorahiko -> gran_torino
create alias sasaki_mirai -> sir_nighteye
create alias moashi_juzo -> centipeder
create alias awata_kaoruko -> bubble_girl

These seem to be the characters that you think shouldn't get a qualifier? Or at least the ones that could live without one? If yes, then I will create a separate BUR for them with the simple solution that, if evazion approves the new one, we can still take these characters out of the original BURs.

Edit: I added Vlad_King to the BUR. I'm not going to add Todoroki_enjio to the BUR, because he's another case where I'm not sure, if we really either want to use the real or hero name. In his case, his real name is pretty common, most importantly, because his son todoroki shouto stays like that in the other BUR.

Keep in mind that when I say "unambiguous", I mean that it doesn't conflict with anything currently on Danbooru, whether franchises, or similarly named characters, or common terms or such.
I went through every single tag there to check various things, and this is the result. In my view, taking into account the existence (or not) on Danbooru of other tags, characters etc with similar names, as well as how ambiguous their name can be this is how I see it:

Astolfo said:

Keep in mind that when I say "unambiguous", I mean that it doesn't conflict with anything currently on Danbooru, whether franchises, or similarly named characters, or common terms or such.
I went through every single tag there to check various things, and this is the result. In my view, taking into account the existence (or not) on Danbooru of other tags, characters etc with similar names, as well as how ambiguous their name can be this is how I see it:

Can definitely live without a qualifier:

create alias shuuzenji_chiyo -> recovery_girl (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias yamada_hizashi -> present_mic (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias shirakumo_oboro -> loud_cloud (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias fukukado_emi -> ms_joke (Doesn't really conflict with anything; if this is ambiguous, then every other "Ms. [something]" tag that exists is ambiguous.)
create alias kamihara_shin'ya -> edgeshot (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias nishiya_shinji -> kamui_woods (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias toyomitsu_taishiro -> fat_gum (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias ishiyama_ken -> cementoss (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias hakamada_tsunagu -> best_jeanist (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias sasaki_mirai -> sir_nighteye (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias awata_kaoruko -> bubble_girl (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias takeyama_yu -> mount_lady (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias sakamata_kugo -> gang_orca (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
mirko
create alias sako_atsuhiro -> mr_compress (Doesn't conflict with anything, if this is ambiguous then every other "Mr. [something] thag that exists is ambiguous.)
create alias yotsubashi_rikya -> re-destro (Doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias tobita_danjuro -> gentle_criminal (Doesn't conflict with anything.)

Fringe cases, may or may not need a qualifier depending on how one sees it:

create alias maijima_higari -> power_loader (Doesn't currently conflict with anything. Can be seen as ambiguous due to two common words. There's some shit in Alien called a Power Loader but lol)
create alias tsuchikawa_ryuuko -> pixie-bob (Doesn't conflict with anything, but I found out it's a cat breed thanks to Veraducks, so could be ambiguous.)
create alias sousaki_shino -> mandalay (One word, but no conflict. There's a "mandalay bay" gentag with two posts. I also found out it's a cat breed thanks to Veraducks, so could be ambiguous.)
create alias kan_sekijirou -> vlad_king (May need disambiguation with the various Vlads like Vlad III, Vlad Tepes, etc; but on its own as "Vlad King" it's unique and doesn't conflict with anything.)
create alias torino_sorahiko -> gran_torino (Because there's that movie called like that but it doesn't conflict with anything currently on Danbooru, and probably never will.)
create alias moashi_juzo -> centipeder (May be ambiguous with the various "centipede" tags.)
create alias chisaki_kai -> overhaul (One word, but no conflict. Can be seen as ambiguous or not depending on what one considers ambiguous.)
create alias kurono_hari -> chronostasis (One word, but no conflict. Can be seen as ambiguous or not depending on what one considers ambiguous.)
create alias chikazoku_tomoyasu -> skeptic (One word adjective, doesn't currently conflict with anything though.)

Most likely needs a qualifier:

create alias aizawa_shouta -> eraser_head_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Conflict with the Eraserhead franchise tag)
create alias kayama_nemuri -> midnight_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Conflict with other characters with that name)
create alias takami_keigo -> hawks_(boku_no_hero_academia) (It's just kinda too ambiguous and one word)
create alias higawara_sajin -> snatch_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Ambiguous one word, conflicts with a gentag and I guess with characters like "Snatcher".)
create alias mizushima_masaki -> manual_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Ambiguous one word)
create alias chatora_yawara -> tiger_(boku_no_hero_academia) (lol)
create alias hound_dog -> hound_dog_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Ambiguous term and a gentag for granblue exists named Hound Dog.)
create alias bubaigawara_jin -> twice_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Another character exists with that name)
create alias okuta_kagero -> giran_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Another character exists with that name)
create alias iguchi_shuuichi -> spinner_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Probably ambiguous, there's a "spinner" gentag.)
create alias hikiishi_kenji -> magne_(boku_no_hero_academia) (magne_(accio) exists.)
create alias imasuji_goto -> muscular_(boku_no_hero_academia) (lol)
create alias hanabata_koku -> trumpet_(boku_no_hero_academia) (lol)
create alias akaguro_chizome -> stain_(boku_no_hero_academia) (Ambiguous. Stain gentag, etc.)

Agree with Astolfo. I really don't want to every single tag to get qualified to an extreme, like how it was done in topic #18239 for Mega Man tags, and it just looks... disastrous. Tons of character that in more than a decade never needed qualifiers, never conflicted with other tags and never sounded ambiguous at all just got unnecessary qualifiers because... yes? Seriously, every case should be carefully analyzed. Like how we are doing it right now.

BUR #6432 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias kan_sekijirou -> vlad_king_(boku_no_hero_academia)
create alias todoroki_enji -> endeavor_(boku_no_hero_academia)

Flipping the alias to match with the other BURs here, and because the two latter titles are a lot more recognizable for most fans.

BUR #6433 has been rejected.

create alias shuuzenji_chiyo -> recovery_girl
create alias yamada_hizashi -> present_mic
create alias shirakumo_oboro -> loud_cloud
create alias fukukado_emi -> ms_joke
create alias kamihara_shin'ya -> edgeshot
create alias nishiya_shinji -> kamui_woods
create alias ishiyama_ken -> cementoss
create alias hakamada_tsunagu -> best_jeanist
create alias sasaki_mirai -> sir_nighteye
create alias takeyama_yu -> mount_lady
create alias sakamata_kugo -> gang_orca
create alias kan_sekijirou -> vlad_king

The alternative BUR for characters listed by Astolfo. Keep in mind, that I prefer the first two BURs. Now some context:
I have not! included the villains, because the BUR for those should either be extra or just stay as it is right now. As the BUR for those looks good right now, I'm not going to do it.
I will not include mirko for reasons explained above.
I have included Gran Torino and Vlad King from the "fringe cases" because I understand those two in a sense of "can be without a qualifier".

The explanation for the BUR:
If this one is approved, I will reject the second BUR of that topic and then I will take out all cases from the first BUR, that got approved here. If evazion rejects this BUR, the first two BURs of that topic will stay as they are.

"gran torino", "fat gum" and "bubble girl" are the only names there that could be ambiguous. Those imo should get qualified, but the rest are very unique.

nonamethanks said:

"gran torino", "fat gum" and "bubble girl" are the only names there that could be ambiguous. Those imo should get qualified, but the rest are very unique.

Agree with this

nonamethanks said:

"gran torino", "fat gum" and "bubble girl" are the only names there that could be ambiguous. Those imo should get qualified, but the rest are very unique.

Edited the BUR and removed those cases.

I'd honestly and personally be more inclined we go with the:

"Some users said it could be more usefull to let every characer keep their real and hero name and tag them if they wear their hero outfit."

approach mentioned in the first post here (and maybe further implicate the hero names to the given names). This last BUR without excessive qualifiers though looks much nicer to me than the initial one. It does kind of make sense if we didn't go for tagging the hero name if and only if in uniform, that we alias one way or the other. I also agree that the primary characters should definitely keep their personal names (and mostly still agree with that policy in general, even when nicknames for characters exist).

Shinjidude said:

I'd honestly and personally be more inclined we go with the:

The issue is that it's not like western superhero media at all. There's no reason to separate out their costumes from their real name and the series doesn't even do that. Yes, there's a few examples of exception, but those can be counted on one hand. Literally. There are 5 examples. Three of them are from the Vigilante spinoff and aren't in these BURs and probably wouldn't need to be secret anyway.

If you're worried about "I want to search Mount Lady but only in her costume", then it would be better to garden the superhero tag - which needs a bit of cleanup anyway - than to force an entire franchise into awkward tagging.

It's not a hard preference, but it is nice to be able to have the in-built ability to separate "character as hero" vs "character as layman". We have this ability, and can see this in established precedent with for example Sailor Moon , Futari wa Precure, Bofuri, etc.

For instance we can do "Tomoe_Hotaru -Sailor_Saturn" to get Sailor Saturn as a non-hero, or "cure_black -misumi_nagisa" to get Cure Black the hero (cos)played by other characters. We don't have an easy way to do either sort of thing if we alias either direction. So long as tagging is done consistently, there is no need to use or garden any third tag either. You say users wouldn't want to tag this way, but we already do elsewhere and the related searches for series where we do are pretty clean.

One possible difference here is for say Fat Gum or Recovery Girl, we basically never see them as non-heroes.

It was a point I proposed when I talked with @AngryZapdos about that topic. Ultimately we can also separate all real and hero names, but I think then the Hero names should imply the real names, so you can always search for on case and get another. You want all All might images where he appears as All Might? Just search for only this. You want Yagi Toshinori without the costume? Just search for Yagi_Toshinori -All_Might.
But then we have the big problem of, what is the hero costume and what not? Does Eraserheads normal outfit counts as his Hero Costume or his casual wear? He always walks around with the same scarf and the same sweater and only appears on some images with other clothes. Why do we need the extra char-tag for something that's just alternate costume? Same goes with Present Mic, Recovery Girl, Fat Gum and others. What's Gang Orcas casual wear, when his Hero costume just looks like any other casual wear? So we only do this for specific cases like Hawks and Endeavor, who have a big count of images and a big pile of cases with different outfits.
Personally I really think that people just should use alternate costume or casual more, because right now BNHA has a lot of characters just appearing in their Hero Outfit most of the time, instead of any other clothing. It also makes no sense to not imply both variants, because then we still have the problem that people don't know all the names of the characters and will go on and tag the Hero- and Real-Outfit of Aizawa Shouta as Eraserhead, because they don't know that's his real name. I also don't believe that we should do this, just because other copyrights can handle it. I'm not into those copyrights, but I do believe that the separation of those characters Hero and Real Idendity is more prominent.

Edit to the second BUR:
I removed Hound Dog because it's another copyright and not the character we were trying to alias.

Btw: If all BURs fail like that, I will just make a big BUR to move all characters to their real name, instead of their Hero names, so there won't be any arguing over qualifiers. If that's the reason the BURs fail, then this will be the only solution.

There are 7 different BURs in this topic, most of them pretty split as far as votes go, so I can't see any consensus coming out of it. I'd say first resubmit the non-controversial ones so that they can be approved easily, and then move onto the rest.

Ideally wait for one to be approved before moving to the next, and even more ideally do each in a separate topic so it's easy to keep track of each argument.

The bulk update request #6432 (forum #192479) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6433 (forum #192480) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6415 (forum #192377) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6414 (forum #192375) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6413 (forum #192373) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #6412 (forum #192372) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.