Regardless of the conversation brought up in topic #18797, this is something I feel should be done for the time being.
These all refer to the same character. My understanding is that they don't have an official name yet, but as Baal and Raiden Shogun are popping up on Missed Searches, making these terms direct to a single tag seems worthwhile for now. We can always flip these to point to a different name later if their moniker ends up different in game.
Just how we don't call zhongli_(genshin_impact) by his archon name, I don't see what calling Raiden by her archon name would do. We have to wait until her playable character name is out.
Just how we don't call zhongli_(genshin_impact) by his archon name, I don't see what calling Raiden by her archon name would do. We have to wait until her playable character name is out.
Agreed, it's best to just wait. This could easily end up a similar situation to how Tartaglia was called "Childe" 95% of the time in-game until he became playable.
In character voices (that section where some characters have voice lines about others) she is referred to as "the Raiden Shogun" currently, at least in Kazuha's voice lines, but we can't say for certain what will be her actual in-game name since to my knowledge she hasn't been officially announced or anything.
We can only wait. It can be the same situation where the Traveler (MC) knows and sometimes refers to zhongli (genshin impact) as Morax or even rex-lapis. Zhongli is the current "vessel" for Morax in the mortal realm. For Baal, it may be the same case where as her archon name seems to be Raiden with the title of shogun. Like Narukami Ogosho is another of her titles. It roughly translates to thundergod and a shogun honorific Ogosho.
One thing for certain is that Baal is the god of eternity's name. And given how the playable character for Morax goes by Zhongli, I'm leaning towards Raiden for Baal for now.
Official name as per official Twitter, and the way she's referred to in game already (all dialogues in the current chapter (unless I missed one) talk of her as Raiden Shogun and the already existing game UI like character voice lines are named "About the Raiden Shogun")
I don't see the purpose of this alias. It was agreed to add qualifiers to the Genshin characters and not continue this "some get it and some don't" deal. This would be going backwards. Speaking of which, I saw we just went back on it with Kazuha's BUR on topic #18920
We really are being inconsistent here. We had just settled and then immediately go back to no qualifiers. Soon we'll have a mix or some with no qualifiers and some with all over again.
Soon we'll have a mix or some with no qualifiers and some with all over again.
This has never been an issue in any franchise outside of gachas and I still don't see why it "should" be an issue with gachas even after all these discussions around Genshin tags - which isn't even a constant either, seeing as some gachas like Honkai Impact 3rd don't do that. Arguing against full names for characters like Barbara Jean etc is one thing, but when qualifiers are literally useless because the character is outright referred to by their full unambiguous name (or some other full, unambiguous title) IN THE GAME ITSELF, I don't see how a qualifier accomplishes anything other than make their tag longer for the sake of "consistency" which, in itself, is wholly inconsistent with the rest of the site as a whole. We don't do this anywhere else, we don't qualify full names in anime and manga just because that same anime/manga has various qualified short names as well. There's no reason to qualify Kaedehara Kazuha, or Kamisato Ayaka, or Raiden Shogun, or any of the other actually-full-named-in-game Genshin characters - like there's no reason to qualify Edward Elric just because all the *_(fma) tags exist, or Dio Brando because all the *_(jojo) tags exist, or etc.
But anyway, qualifier or not the point of the alias here is to correct her tag to her actual correct name because just "Raiden" is wrong.
In that case we should remove the qualifiers for the Liyue characters as well, seeing as they all use full names as well.
Though I am in favor of using qualifiers.
The problem here is that for Mondstat characters, you rarely hear about their surname, whereas in other regions the full name is just used outright. So it only becomes a real problem when it comes to tag Mond characters.
I'm not proficient in Chinese at all so I can't weigh in on that part other than Hu Tao being a full name to my knowledge. I recall hearing something about how "Zhongli" is a full name but I wouldn't be able to say how correct that is.
The problem's only ever been "full name VS qualifier" for characters like Jean or Mona (most from Mondstadt) whose full names are obscure and hidden in some relationship lore dumps or such, wherein it was decided to ditch the full names in favour of qualifiers because their names become ambiguous one-words. For characters whose full names are front and center in both marketing and game itself, this is not needed.
I'm not proficient in Chinese at all so I can't weigh in on that part other than Hu Tao being a full name to my knowledge. I recall hearing something about how "Zhongli" is a full name but I wouldn't be able to say how correct that is.
The problem's only ever been "full name VS qualifier" for characters like Jean or Mona (most from Mondstadt) whose full names are obscure and hidden in some relationship lore dumps or such, wherein it was decided to ditch the full names in favour of qualifiers because their names become ambiguous one-words. For characters whose full names are front and center in both marketing and game itself, this is not needed.
I'm proficient in Chinese.
"Hu Tao" looks like a full name, but it is ambiguous because the exact same two-hanzi combination (pronounced identically) also means "walnut".
"Zhongli" looks like a two-hanzi surname, like Zhongli Quan's (exact same two hanzi). It can potentially be a surname + first name combination, but the fact that it is romanized as one word (as opposed to Hu Tao, as two) indicates it is part of the same surname.
As for the other Liyue character names, they mostly sound like some kind of title or nickname. Could be first names, maybe. Unusual ones though. Overall they sound more like Zhuge Liang's Wolong (Crouching Dragon) and Pang Tong's Fengchu (Phoenix Fledgling), both also nicknames.
In general, two syllable (two hanzi) Chinese names (full, first only, surname only, title, etc.) are potentially ambiguous, because there aren't that many possible sound combinations especially once you take the tones off.
