floppy_sleeves, sleeves_past_fingers, oversized_clothes

BUR #6310 has been approved by @evazion.

remove alias floppy_sleeves -> oversized_clothes

I struggled to find any discussion or the BUR where this was aliased, but I think this alias should be removed. Floppy sleeves are just sleeves_past_fingers, and not always due to the clothes being too big (post #4578945 looks like only the sleeves are too long). Common examples where sleeves that are too long but the rest of the clothing isn't oversized per se is Komeiji Koishi (post #4578476) and Mononobe no Futo (post #4440495). Sometimes the character is removing a normally-fitting long sleeve jacket/coat/shirt/sweater (e.g. post #4617668) and the sleeves flop past the fingers (more so than sleeves_past_fingers), or it's off_shoulder. Oversized_clothes should be added manually by the tagger if the clothes are visibly too loose.

If this unalias passes, I'll create a new BUR for floppy_sleeves to imply sleeves_past_fingers (unless it can be added to this BUR).

I don't think floppy sleeves should be aliased to anything. "floppy" says nothing about them being past fingers. You can have floppy sleeves past the wrist but not the fingers, or pulled up.

nonamethanks said:

..."floppy" says nothing about them being past fingers. You can have floppy sleeves past the wrist but not the fingers, or pulled up.

To me, floppy sleeves are sleeves that are so long that they "flop" down due to gravity because the ends of the sleeves aren't supported by any structure (in which case they would be past the fingers), similar to floppy_ears in a way. This is the visual I get when applying "floppy" to sleeves.

I'm interested to see examples where they're past the wrists but not the fingers, that aren't wide_sleeves.

yyflandre said:

I'm interested to see examples where they're past the wrists but not the fingers, that aren't wide_sleeves.

post #562418

nonamethanks said:

post #562418

I suppose it counts if we're going by a loose definition of floppy: tending to flop or hang; loose and flexible.

If floppy_sleeves will be tagged on posts similar to your example on top of what I described in my previous post, I feel like it would somewhat bloat the tag and blur the line between floppy sleeves (by your example) and wide sleeves. However I don't think I have any strong arguments against your point, so I don't really care about the sleeves_past_fingers implication anymore. I just thought it was an important distinction to make. I'm mainly concerned with removing the oversized_clothes alias from floppy_sleeves.

The bulk update request #6310 (forum #191664) has been approved by @evazion.