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Molestation implications

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pronebone said:

BUR #6177 has been rejected.

create implication chikan -> molestation
create implication chijo -> molestation

Both chikan and sleep molestation are an art of molestation

Unbreakable said:

Should we include chijo in the BUR?

pronebone said:

Sure, let me add it until further complaint, though some of it's usages look like plain exhibitionism to me

The issue is that our wiki definitions don't really agree with how the words are used in Japanese. A chikan is "a man who performs indecent acts on a woman" (女性にみだらないたずらをしかける男). This includes not only molestation, but also acts that don't involve direct touching such as photographing (underskirt, usually) and indecent exposure (the penis, usually).

That said, the chikan -> molestation implication is currently mostly safe because most (if not all) of our examples do depict actual physical "molestation".

The chijo equivalent, however, is far less safe. A more limited definition of "chijo" is "...slang word for a woman who engages in 'chikan'-like behavior" (痴漢が男性を指すのに対して、そうした痴漢的な行為を行う女性を指す俗語). So, within this limited definition, a chijo also engages in the same three acts as the chikan above, but due to gender-role differences a fictional "chijo" is far more likely to be depicted engaging in indecent exposure compared to their spear counterpart.

That's why there are a lot of exhibitionist images tagged chijo (especially if it occurs in a setting one can usually find a chikan, such as on a train). There is a certain discrepancy between how the word is defined here, and how it is actually used, so people who are aware of the term are likely to use it in a way that conflict with the wiki definition if they don't look it up first.

(There is also a more general definition of "chijo" which extends its use to describe "any female pervert". This use is very common in colloquial speech, and on Pixiv tags. But people who are aware of the tag female pervert are unlikely to 'misuse' our chijo tag that way because they know there's a more specific alternate tag that is more appropriate, even without checking either wikis.)

TL;DR: I don't mind the chikan -> molestation implication (because non-molestation examples are almost never tagged), but chijo -> molestation has issues unless we garden out those non-molestation examples and somehow figure out a way to avoid people using it such in the future. Alias it to female_molester, maybe.

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