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BUR #5705 has been rejected.
create alias missing_limb -> amputee
Realistically, there's no way to tell whether someone is a "true" amputee or was born with a missing limb. There's also not much use for us to distinguish the two tags, especially when we have tags like quadruple amputee that already imply amputee, and so in theory could not be used with missing limb.
Provence said:
What about stuff in which portals or similar things cut off limbs?
That would be severed limb, or am I misunderstanding you?
nonamethanks said:
That would be severed limb, or am I misunderstanding you?
Perhaps, but I'm more interested in how you would treat a case where the limb is cut off by a portal and the limb isn't seen anymore, as the severed limb wiki suggests. But the arm/leg is still attached to the body.
Might be a hypothetical situation but could very well appear in comics (and has happened in hentai doujins).
Well we have things like post #4247447 which are tagged as detached arm. It's hard to say for your specific case however without specific examples.
Provence said:
Perhaps, but I'm more interested in how you would treat a case where the limb is cut off by a portal and the limb isn't seen anymore, as the severed limb wiki suggests. But the arm/leg is still attached to the body.
Might be a hypothetical situation but could very well appear in comics (and has happened in hentai doujins).
So something like an arm or leg that isn't wholly severed?
Provence said:
Perhaps, but I'm more interested in how you would treat a case where the limb is cut off by a portal and the limb isn't seen anymore, as the severed limb wiki suggests. But the arm/leg is still attached to the body.
Might be a hypothetical situation but could very well appear in comics (and has happened in hentai doujins).
Would something like post #4430122 meet your criteria? Although I don't exactly follow on the "still attached" part.
Edit: That was not in fact what you meant. Serves me right for not reading the other channels first. Still curious how this post should be tagged though.
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For reference, provence was talking about post #3277393.
Disagree. Most strongly.
I wouldn't use amputee for robotic characters that are missing limbs. See post #4514512. Humanoid robot, arm is missing (implied by the overall design in the image itself, made clear when considering preceding images). Arm is not visible, therefore emphatically doesn't qualify for severed limb. Might possibly qualify for detached limb now that you brought it up, but that tag is vaguely defined and going through posts tagged with it shows that it is generally used for limbs floating away some distance from the character, or for dolls with limbs neatly popped out. With the detached limb(s) generally remaining visible in frame. It's not generally used for "missing limb severed with (implied) violence" (missing in the sense of "not visible in frame").
I think a significant amount of users also have a similar usage pattern as mine, as shown in missing_limb android and missing_limb mecha searches, will are generally conspicuously NOT tagged with amputee
Overall, missing limbs seem to act as amputee but "reasons", where the reason can range from "limbs are portaled elsewhere" to this character isn't (fully) human, so tagging amputee would be inappropriate.
If we proceed with the alias, this would force users to either 'pollute' the detached_limb pool, or misuse the "severed limb" tag (when the limb is not in-frame) or to come up with a new tag for this use... when missing_limb already works perfectly fine as it is. So, no reiterate, I disagree most strongly against this proposed alias.
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NNescio said:
Disagree. Most strongly.
I wouldn't use amputee for robotic characters that are missing limbs. See post #4514512. Humanoid robot, arm is missing (implied by the overall design in the image itself, made clear when considering preceding images). Arm is not visible, therefore emphatically doesn't qualify for severed limb. Might possibly qualify for detached limb now that you brought it up, but that tag is vaguely defined and going through posts tagged with it shows that it is generally used for limbs floating away some distance from the character, or for dolls with limbs neatly popped out. With the detached limb(s) generally remaining visible in frame. It's not generally used for "missing limb severed with (implied) violence" (missing in the sense of "not visible in frame".
amputee ~android ~robot status:any has 202 posts though, so it seems it's already being used that way. I understand the issue with the naming given that amputee usually refers to humans, but it's either this or we keep two tags for the exact same concept, as most users won't care.
Also again, we have all the other amputee tags like double amputee, triple amputee etc that cannot be translated into missing limb tags without becoming very unwieldy, or we'd have to create separate tags for all of the N variants.
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nonamethanks said:
amputee ~android ~robot status:any has 202 posts though, so it seems it's already being used that way. I understand the issue with the naming given that amputee usually refers to humans, but it's either this or we keep two tags for the exact same concept, as most users won't care.
Also again, we have all the other amputee tags like double amputee, triple amputee etc that cannot be translated into missing limb tags without becoming very unwieldy.
Thinking about it, I suppose android + amputee might be fine (under certain circumstances), because they look human enough. But something like a Zaku with a missing limb getting tagged amputee is just... silly.
NNescio said:
Thinking about it, I suppose android + amputee might be fine, because they look human enough. But something like a Zaku with a missing limb getting tagged amputee is just... silly.
That's actually one I would tag amputee without thinking twice, because the arm has been visibly amputated. That might just be me being an ESL though.
nonamethanks said:
That's actually one I would tag amputee without thinking twice, because the arm has been visibly amputated. That might just be me being an ESL though.
I suppose I might be... willing to... adapt to this... proposed new paradigm, if it makes it easier for users to tag overall. But I must reiterate that I still have a severe mental disconnect with associating a mecha with the word amputee (to the point of using ellipses). Generally the word amputee carries some degree of implied personhood in it. So people get it. Animals might get it too, pets especially (because they are personified to a greater degree). Androids, sure, unless it's a gritty 'Terminator-esque scene', where the android appears more inhuman. Humanoid robots and mecha are where it really starts to scrunch up for me, unless the robot/mecha in question have a humanlike face and/or are personified to some degree. So... I suppose G-Self (one of the more 'humanized' mechas) is where it might be still somewhat okay, but putting amputee on the gritty 'heavy industrial' 'inhuman' 'villainous' cyclopean Zaku makes the disconnect seem very... jarring. And then putting it on a Zakrello just makes it even worse. Or a Ball, since that one doesn't even has a face. Putting it on Lovecraftian monstrosities (or just an octopus with a missing tentacle) or aliens with non-human proportions also feels wrong.
Basically, the further one gets away from "humanness", the more "wrong" it feels to describe the entity as being an amputee... is what I would sum it up as.
That said, I'm technically ESL too.
e? said:
I'd do it the other way around and alias amputee to missing limb
But then we'd have to rename double amputee, triple amputee and quadruple amputee too. "Four missing limbs" doesn't sound right to me.
@smowtenshi said:
What about implication? I'm not really sure which way though.
Ah, yes; this is what I meant. I misread this post as being about implication.
Nonetheless, aliasing amputee -> missing_limb would still make far more sense than the other way around, per what NNescio said
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