The bulk update request #3925 (forum #175915) has been approved by @evazion.
Posted under Tags
The bulk update request #3925 (forum #175915) has been approved by @evazion.
zanyshoe said:
Within the futanari tag, I like categorizing based on the anatomy in the picture. Perhaps:
- newhalf: No pussy + balls or no balls
- full-package_futanari: Pussy + balls
- neither newhalf nor full-package: Pussy + no balls
This is basically how I think it should be done. One of the issues though is that you can't always tell whether it's a newhalf or full-package futanari if you can't see the pussy or lack thereof. This is part of the problem with saying that newhalf isn't futa; sometimes it's visually indistinguishable from full-package futa.
BUR #4137 has been approved by @evazion.
create alias newhalf_with_futa -> futa_with_newhalf
We are currently treating Newhalf as a subset of Futanari, so it makes more sense this way.
evazion said:
This is basically how I think it should be done. One of the issues though is that you can't always tell whether it's a newhalf or full-package futanari if you can't see the pussy or lack thereof. This is part of the problem with saying that newhalf isn't futa; sometimes it's visually indistinguishable from full-package futa.
That's why TWYS exists. Tags describe what is visible in the image. One is not suppose to be guessing.
That said we could have a bias about it, either saying in the wiki that you should ALWAYS assume there is a pussy if there is no way to visually confirm the opposite (or the other way around).
I also liked zanyshoe's categories.
The bulk update request #4137 (forum #177117) has been approved by @evazion.
So is it the case now that a character with all futanari traits, except visibly lacking a pussy, should be tagged as newhalf? The wiki pages for the tags are indistinct on the matter.
Also, are we going to be tagging on the presumption that a character that has an overall female body shape, which also has a penis and testicles, and the presence or absence of a vagina is not immediately visible, should be tagged as a full-package futanari except where otherwise indicated in the image itself? Or is the opposite the case, and without confirmation of the presence of a vagina, the image should be tagged as newhalf by default?
For full-package futanari, you should definitely be able to tell they have a pussy. Either because you see it, or because they're getting penetrated or something. There are a lot of things under full-package futanari where there's no sign they have a pussy, which defeats the whole purpose of the tag.
For newhalf, I would say you should be able to tell that they don't have a pussy. Otherwise newhalf becomes indistinguishable from futanari+testicles.
If you can't tell whether they have a pussy or not, then it would just be regular futanari.
Shouldn't newhalf with female be merged into futa with female, etc, since now newhalf implicates futanari?
Sebbafan said:
So this is the reason I've been getting a bunch of newhalf pictures while browsing futa and vice versa. Searching for "futanari -newhalf" is easy. But now "newhalf -futanari" doesn't work anymore.
Isn't just newhalf what you want? Or maybe newhalf -futa_with_newhalf?
Sebbafan said:
So this is the reason I've been getting a bunch of newhalf pictures while browsing futa and vice versa. Searching for "futanari -newhalf" is easy. But now "newhalf -futanari" doesn't work anymore.
If you're getting things in a newhalf search that doesn't actually feature a newhalf, that's because they've been mistagged, not because of the implication.
Tomzai said:
Are posts with solo newhalf supposed to be tagged with 1girl, 1boy or neither? Tag definition doesn't say anything about it.
Newhalf has traditionally been tagged as 1girl, presumably on the grounds that typically without the dick they would be indistinguishable from any other female character.
The wiki should probably be updated to reflect this, though I'm not sure if there are any exceptions that would need to be kept in mind.
blindVigil said:
Newhalf has traditionally been tagged as 1girl, presumably on the grounds that typically without the dick they would be indistinguishable from any other female character.
Imo that's quite a curious way to go about it since shemale is not that different look wise from a femine looking trap. One could argue that following the same logic some traps would need to be tagged girl as well since some of those are indistinguishable from any other female characters as well.
And if you can see the genitals and there is clearly only a penis and no pussy is that not a male by definition?
Then again some of this discussion goes back a decade looking at old forum posts so im not going to pry about it further, as there has probably been some consensus about it somewhere along the way and my opinion about it probably wouldn't change anything or would be downright ignored for the most part.
Though if someone more knowledged about the subject would like to fill me in the matter, then please go ahead.
Tomzai said:
Imo that's quite a curious way to go about it since shemale is not that different look wise from a femine looking trap. One could argue that following the same logic some traps would need to be tagged girl as well since some of those are indistinguishable from any other female characters as well.
And if you can see the genitals and there is clearly only a penis and no pussy is that not a male by definition?
These are good points, but the real problem is that it would be insane to rearrange every single futa post if we were tag newhalves as something different from boys or girls. This is something that would only work if it had been decided near the inception of the site, not 15 years later.
As of now, the best rule of thumb is that if it has tits, it's a futa and must be tagged as a girl. The distinction between a trap and flat or loli futas should be made based on context.
SSJG said:
This is something that would only work if it had been decided near the inception of the site, not 15 years later.
Perhaps.
Anyhow, looked up cuntboy while i was at it since its the same thing but different gender and it's equally bizarrely tagged 1boy despite the lack of penis. However, even though i heavily disagree the way the tagging is implemented with these tags, at least it's consistent.
There was two ways to deal with it: making Newhalf a completely separated entity from Futanari, for the context and meaning of Newhalf/Shemales being unrelated to Futanari, or making Newhalf a subset of Futanari, because how the look the same most of the time. The second option was voted and approved. Personally, I'm neutral on the matter.
Updated
I only just found out about this and this is stupid as hell. Newhalf should not implicate futanari. They are different things with obviously different applications. Maybe it would make sense if the futanari tag was not actually futanari but rather the more vague "dickgirl", but it isn't. As is it's now been made so that the tag explicitly meaning "man with boobs, dick, and no vagina" is implicating the tag that explicitly means "hermaphrodite with both male and female genitals", which is just plain contradictory. I wish things like this wouldn't just get approved in the forums with no one who isn't regularly checking them having any clue such a thing is going on until after it's already been changed.
Anonymaster said:
is implicating the tag that explicitly means "hermaphrodite with both male and female genitals", which is just plain contradictory.
Not true. Futanari is an image of a chick with a dick. Newhalf is the same, but visible confirmation that there is not a vagina. If you can visibly confirm cock, balls, and vagina, you use full-package futanari.
As it is now, searching futanari gets you all instances of women with schlongs, whether they be no balls, balls, pussy, no pussy, weird clit dicks, or whatever else. If you want to exclude balls, you search with -testicles. If you want only ones with vagina n' cock not caring about balls, you search "futanari pussy".
It was implicated for ease of use. You shouldn't need two or three tags to see all instances of "girls with dicks".
Veradux said:
Not true. Futanari is an image of a chick with a dick.
As per both the literal name futanari and the tag's own definition, you are wrong.
‘futanari’ (双成り) literally meaning “made of two kinds”, is a fetish that depicts female characters with both male and female genitalia.
As it is now, searching futanari gets you all instances of women with schlongs, whether they be no balls, balls, pussy, no pussy, weird clit dicks, or whatever else. If you want to exclude balls, you search with -testicles. If you want only ones with vagina n' cock not caring about balls, you search "futanari pussy".
It was implicated for ease of use. You shouldn't need two or three tags to see all instances of "girls with dicks".
Except a newhalf isn't a "girl with a dick", it's a dude with breasts. And the full-package tag existed because the futanari definition never specified balls, and people had the preference for including them or not. This change is not changing things for ease of use. It was pretty simple before: I searched for the futanari tag and I got images of futanari and not newhalves, because I wasn't searching for newhalves. Now I search for futanari and I get images of futanari and newhalves, and I have to explicitly remove newhalves from the search because this stupid implication is tying them together for completely ass-backwards logic. Perhaps it would be helpful for those who want to see both shemales and futanari together as they now have one tag that searches both instead of simply searching for both, but I am not one of them. This is "ease of use" for one group at the expense of the other group, which can't be considered ease of use at all.