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I see London, I see France, we should streamline tagging underpants!

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create alias adjusting_panties -> adjusting_underpants
create alias american_flag_panties -> american_flag_underpants
create alias animal_band_panties -> animal_band_underpants
create alias aqua_panties -> aqua_underpants
create alias argyle_panties -> argyle_underpants
create alias back-print_panties -> back-print_underpants
create alias backless_panties -> backless_underpants
create alias bat_panties -> bat_underpants
create alias bear_panties -> bear_underpants
create alias beige_panties -> beige_underpants
create alias black_bloomers -> black_underpants
create alias black_boxer_briefs -> black_underpants
create alias black_boxers -> black_underpants
create alias black_briefs -> black_underpants
create alias black_male_underwear -> black_underpants
create alias black_panties -> black_underpants
create alias bloody_panties -> bloody_underpants
create alias blue_bloomers -> blue_underpants
create alias blue_briefs -> blue_underpants
create alias blue_male_underwear -> blue_underpants
create alias blue_panties -> blue_underpants
create alias bow_bloomers -> bow_underpants
create alias bow_panties -> bow_underpants
create alias boxer_briefs -> underpants
create alias brown_bloomers -> brown_underpants
create alias brown_briefs -> brown_underpants
create alias brown_male_underwear -> brown_underpants
create alias brown_panties -> brown_underpants
create alias bunny_ear_panties -> bunny_ear_underpants
create alias bunny_panties -> bunny_underpants
create alias butterfly_wing_panties -> butterfly_wing_underpants
create alias button_panties -> button_underpants
create alias camouflage_panties -> camouflage_underpants
create alias cat_cutout_panties -> cat_cutout_underpants
create alias cat_ear_panties -> cat_ear_underpants
create alias cat_panties -> cat_underpants
create alias checkered_boxers -> checkered_underpants
create alias checkered_briefs -> checkered_underpants
create alias checkered_panties -> checkered_underpants
create alias cherry_panties -> cherry_underpants
create alias cow_ear_panties -> cow_ear_underpants
create alias crab_panties -> crab_underpants
create alias cross-laced_panties -> cross-laced_underpants
create alias crotchless_bloomers -> crotchless_underpants
create alias crotchless_panties -> crotchless_underpants
create alias cum_in_panties -> cum_in_underpants
create alias cumdrip_onto_panties -> cumdrip_onto_underpants
create alias cumdrip_through_panties -> cumdrip_through_underpants
create alias demon_panties -> demon_underpants
create alias diagonal-striped_panties -> diagonal-striped_underpants
create alias dildo_under_panties -> dildo_under_underpants
create alias dog_ear_panties -> dog_ear_underpants
create alias dog_panties -> dog_underpants
create alias eating_panties -> eating_underpants
create alias edging_briefs -> edging_underpants
create alias embroidered_panties -> embroidered_underpants
create alias fingering_through_panties -> fingering_through_underpants
create alias fishnet_panties -> fishnet_underpants
create alias flower_panties -> flower_underpants
create alias fox_ear_panties -> fox_ear_underpants
create alias fox_panties -> fox_underpants
create alias frilled_panties -> frilled_underpants
create alias frog_ear_panties -> frog_ear_underpants
create alias frog_panties -> frog_underpants
create alias front-print_panties -> front-print_underpants
create alias fur-trimmed_panties -> fur-trimmed_underpants
create alias fur_panties -> fur_underpants
create alias gingham_panties -> gingham_underpants
create alias gold_panties -> gold_underpants
create alias green_bloomers -> green_underpants
create alias green_boxers -> green_underpants
create alias green_briefs -> green_underpants
create alias green_male_underwear -> green_underpants
create alias green_panties -> green_underpants
create alias grey_bloomers -> grey_underpants
create alias grey_boxers -> grey_underpants
create alias grey_briefs -> grey_underpants
create alias grey_male_underwear -> grey_underpants
create alias grey_panties -> grey_underpants
create alias hand_in_briefs -> hand_in_underpants
create alias hand_in_panties -> hand_in_underpants
create alias heart_panties -> heart_underpants
create alias high-waist_panties -> high-waist_underpants
create alias highleg_panties -> highleg_underpants
create alias holding_bloomers -> holding_underpants
create alias holding_panties -> holding_underpants
create alias keyhole_panties -> keyhole_underpants
create alias lace-trimmed_panties -> lace-trimmed_underpants
create alias lace_briefs -> lace_underpants
create alias lace_panties -> lace_underpants
create alias latex_panties -> latex_underpants
create alias lavender_panties -> lavender_underpants
create alias layered_panties -> layered_underpants
create alias leaf_panties -> leaf_underpants
create alias loose_panties -> loose_underpants
create alias lowleg_panties -> lowleg_underpants
create alias micro_panties -> micro_underpants
create alias mouse_ear_panties -> mouse_ear_underpants
create alias multi-strapped_panties -> multi-strapped_underpants
create alias multicolored_panties -> multicolored_underpants

Okay! So this here suggestion is for the sake of making tagging more streamlined and (theoretically) less dumb and in line with how tagging is handled for other garments.

As it stands, all actions done to/styles of headwear, legwear, and footwear are neatly condensed into singular umbrella tags. It would be ridiculous, for example, if we had a separate color tag for each different variety of legwear. Yet we have five different tags for yellow underpants. Five!!

Unifying these redundant tags would also hopefully encourage users to start color-tagging underpants that are not panties. When you see 3,132 posts tagged as "white bloomers" when adding tags, it's a safe bet that it's a valid tag. When you see only 10 posts tagged as "green bloomers" when adding tags, not so much. Needless to say, nearly all colored bloomers aren't tagged as such, because who wants to take on the gargantuan task of populating individual color tags just for bloomers? [Disclaimer: This is just an example post, not a call-out! The answer is nobody, because that task is impossible.] Additionally, no individual color tag for briefs has even broken outside of the triple digits, presumably for the same reason.

At the moment, it seems that more tags are being made to combat the issue of not having a universal tag (like black_male_underwear, which is an objectively stupid and overly long tag), and as a result make things more complicated than they already are, which is really less than ideal. We do not need to tiptoe ever-so closer to having ribbon-trimmed_boyshorts or polka_dot_thong tags!

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KalpacMuskoxen

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create alias multiple_panties -> multiple_underpants
create alias no_panties -> no_underpants
create alias o-ring_panties -> o-ring_underpants
create alias object_in_panties -> object_in_underpants
create alias orange_bloomers -> orange_underpants
create alias orange_boxers -> orange_underpants
create alias orange_briefs -> orange_underpants
create alias orange_male_underwear -> orange_underpants
create alias orange_panties -> orange_underpants
create alias panda_panties -> panda_underpants
create alias paw_panties -> paw_underpants
create alias pig_panties -> pig_underpants
create alias pink_bloomers -> pink_underpants
create alias pink_briefs -> pink_underpants
create alias pink_male_underwear -> pink_underpants
create alias pink_panties -> pink_underpants
create alias pinstripe_panties -> pinstripe_underpants
create alias pixel_panties -> pixel_underpants
create alias plaid_boxers -> plaid_underpants
create alias plaid_briefs -> plaid_underpants
create alias plaid_panties -> plaid_underpants
create alias polka_dot_boxer_briefs -> polka_dot_underpants
create alias polka_dot_briefs -> polka_dot_underpants
create alias polka_dot_panties -> polka_dot_underpants
create alias presenting_panties -> presenting_underpants
create alias print_bloomers -> print_underpants
create alias print_boxers -> print_underpants
create alias print_briefs -> print_underpants
create alias print_panties -> print_underpants
create alias pumpkin_panties -> pumpkin_underpants
create alias purple_bloomers -> purple_underpants
create alias purple_boxers -> purple_underpants
create alias purple_briefs -> purple_underpants
create alias purple_male_underwear -> purple_underpants
create alias purple_panties -> purple_underpants
create alias putting_on_panties -> putting_on_underpants
create alias red_bloomers -> red_underpants
create alias red_briefs -> red_underpants
create alias red_male_underwear -> red_underpants
create alias red_panties -> red_underpants
create alias ribbed_panties -> ribbed_underpants
create alias ribbon-trimmed_bloomers -> ribbon-trimmed_underpants
create alias ribbon-trimmed_panties -> ribbon-trimmed_underpants
create alias ribbon_panties -> ribbon_underpants
create alias santa_panties -> santa_underpants
create alias satin_panties -> satin_underpants
create alias sheer_panties -> sheer_underpants
create alias side-print_panties -> side-print_underpants
create alias side-tie_panties -> side-tie_underpants
create alias silver_panties -> silver_underpants
create alias spoken_panties -> spoken_underpants
create alias stained_panties -> stained_underpants
create alias star_panties -> star_underpants
create alias strawberry_bloomers -> strawberry_underpants
create alias strawberry_panties -> strawberry_underpants
create alias string_panties -> string_underpants
create alias striped_boxers -> striped_underpants
create alias striped_briefs -> striped_underpants
create alias striped_panties -> striped_underpants
create alias suspender_briefs -> suspender_underpants
create alias suspender_panties -> suspender_underpants
create alias swiss_flag_panties -> swiss_flag_underpants
create alias through_panties -> through_underpants
create alias tiger_panties -> tiger_underpants
create alias torn_bloomers -> torn_underpants
create alias torn_panties -> torn_underpants
create alias twirling_panties -> twirling_underpants
create alias twisted_panties -> twisted_underpants
create alias two-tone_panties -> two-tone_underpants
create alias tying_panties -> tying_underpants
create alias untied_panties -> untied_underpants
create alias vertical-striped_panties -> vertical-striped_underpants
create alias vibrator_under_panties -> vibrator_under_underpants
create alias wet_bloomers -> wet_underpants
create alias wet_male_underwear -> wet_underpants
create alias wet_panties -> wet_underpants
create alias white_bloomers -> white_underpants
create alias white_boxers -> white_underpants
create alias white_briefs -> white_underpants
create alias white_male_underwear -> white_underpants
create alias white_panties -> white_underpants
create alias winged_panties -> winged_underpants
create alias yellow_bloomers -> yellow_underpants
create alias yellow_boxers -> yellow_underpants
create alias yellow_briefs -> yellow_underpants
create alias yellow_male_underwear -> yellow_underpants
create alias yellow_panties -> yellow_underpants
create alias zipper_panties -> zipper_underpants

(My initial post was too powerful, and had to be split into two posts.)

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Rignak

Just looking at the black_* tags, we currently have 57 black_bloomers, 6 black_boxer_briefs, 7 black_boxers, 85 black_briefs, 62 black_male_underwear and 63667 black_panties. Thus, aliasing them to a single black_underpants would made all of them (except for black_panties) unsearchable as they will drown under the panties.

However, I do think those boxer_briefs, boxers, briefs and male_underwear tags could be mass updated to a common tag.

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Admiral Pectoral

In topic #17610 I presented the problem with having color tags for every individual underwear type and I do agree that they should be under one tag. However as many people expressed already, they don't want us playing with the female side of things. So I went ahead and crated the tags like black male underwear.

I know it doesn't sound the best but I couldn't think of a better solution. I'm however glad to see someone bring up the topic again to confirm whether or not we should go along with this or name it something else (like underpants, or just simply briefs? Dunno).

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wet ass pussy

I see where you could be coming from looking at things like [color/type]_legwear and such, but really this is beyond practicality, the end state of things shouldn't be an all-encompassing [color/type]_clothes and the removal of all distinction. It's just not useful especially while panties, briefs, boxers and so-on are highly fetishized articles and quite distinct, but I can tell you put effort into this, sorry!

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thelieutenant

wet_ass_pussy said:

I see where you could be coming from looking at things like [color/type]_legwear and such, but really this is beyond practicality, the end state of things shouldn't be an all-encompassing [color/type]_clothes and the removal of all distinction. It's just not useful especially while panties, briefs, boxers and so-on are highly fetishized articles and quite distinct, but I can tell you put effort into this, sorry!

People drool over legwear length constantly. The thighhigh, kneehigh, pantyhose, and hidden sock crowds all have to use the same legwear tag. Crop tops and tank tops got converted to shirts despite the midriff and armpit crowd. I'm sure they don't want to see anything besides what they want. But the 2-tag limit forces them into black_legwear + thighhighs with no other tags available. If this gets rejected, I would seriously question why the others were accepted.

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NWF Renim

One thing to point out is that this lumps bloomers together with underwear like panties, which is problematic given the fact that bloomers can be used both as an undergarment and as an overgarment to conceal undergarments (such as with post #2995110). It's dual nature would warrant disqualifying from trying to lump them with the others.

I'm opposed to this, as I do not agree with trying and getting rid of the color panties tags and lumping them together with male underwear.

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KalpacMuskoxen

thelieutenant said:

People drool over legwear length constantly. The thighhigh, kneehigh, pantyhose, and hidden sock crowds all have to use the same legwear tag. Crop tops and tank tops got converted to shirts despite the midriff and armpit crowd. I'm sure they don't want to see anything besides what they want. But the 2-tag limit forces them into black_legwear + thighhighs with no other tags available. If this gets rejected, I would seriously question why the others were accepted.

Yeah, this is my primary rationale behind this. As it stands, underpants are the only garment of clothing that does not have a standard color or style tag. Shirts, legwear, headwear, and footwear are all incredibly broad - with legwear in particular being one of the most hyper-fetishized clothing groups out there, yet even that has been consolidated into an umbrella group, even encompassing stuff you wouldn't consider to be "legwear", like ankle socks. When most people think of something you put on your head, you think of a "hat". Yet even that has been been consolidated into "headwear" to include helmets, crowns, and the sort. Most headwear is a hat. There are 15 posts tagged "black helmet", yet 37,000 tagged black_headwear. People are using the "color_headwear" distinction to tag helmet colors. We are considering helmets and hats to be the same thing for the sake of unifying color tags.

Pith helmets and baseball caps are a world apart from each other, yet fall under the same tag. Athletic ankle socks and pantyhose are two very different things, yet fall under the same tag. Briefs are basically just panties with a fly, yet tagging them as [color]_panties would be incorrect. If we can consider a combat helmet and a fez to be the the same thing for tagging, why not panties with or without a fly so we don't have 5 entirely different tags for yellow underpants?

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KalpacMuskoxen

NWF_Renim said:

One thing to point out is that this lumps bloomers together with underwear like panties, which is problematic given the fact that bloomers can be used both as an undergarment and as an overgarment to conceal undergarments (such as with post #2995110). It's dual nature would warrant disqualifying from trying to lump them with the others.

I'm opposed to this, as I do not agree with trying and getting rid of the color panties tags and lumping them together with male underwear.

I missed this reply earlier, sorry about that!

Oh dang, you do raise a perfectly valid point about bloomers. They definitely can be and are used as outerwear as well, so it's fair to omit them from a BUR like this. That being said, when worn as outerwear they are indifferentiable from pants (or shorts, depending on the length), and should be tagged as [color]_pants (or [color]_shorts), as that's what they functionally are.

One of the issues I omitted from the original post are the numbers invovled.

These are the largest color tags, per garment:
white_panties - 108,288 posts
white_briefs - 244 posts
white_male_underwear - 92 posts
black_boxer_briefs - 6 posts
grey_boxers - 9 posts

Even if you were to clump every single of those underpants color tags together, there would still only be 351 posts. If these numbers were more comparable with panties, keeping them separate would make sense. But when combined and they are still only 0.003% of that number, it's hard to justify these other garments even having their own color tags, especially considering how they're technically all just different forms of underpants.

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cbhl

"underpants" is probably not the word I would have picked for such a unification effort. I believe that it has region-specific connotations in the different English-speaking regions.

Given the example of white_panties and white_briefs, I wonder whether we should not just redefine *_panties to include mens' underwear. (I looked at the ~3 images in each of plaid_briefs and plaid_boxers as a randomly-chosen example and was not at all convinced that they would be out of place in plaid_panties -- one image even had both tags, and was tagged as a female character!)

It wasn't clear from the orignal post whether there were technical reasons that prevented you from choosing _underwear over _underpants?

That said, I think Rignak brings up a good point. I agree that some users probably would like to (for example,) saved search images of male characters in underwear, and this is a distinct use-case specific that would be valuable use-case to preserve precisely because the tags are applied to a smaller subset of images. This is distinct from headwear, legwear, and footwear, which tend to be more unisex. (Ok, well at least hats and sneakers... less so for socks vs leggings.)

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blindVigil

cbhl said:

Given the example of white_panties and white_briefs, I wonder whether we should not just redefine *_panties to include mens' underwear. (I looked at the ~3 images in each of plaid_briefs and plaid_boxers as a randomly-chosen example and was not at all convinced that they would be out of place in plaid_panties -- one image even had both tags, and was tagged as a female character!)

No one is ever going to agree to that because no one searching something like white_panties solo is going to want to see dudes wearing briefs in their searches. You're just forcing people to add -briefs to their searches at that point. They're separate for a reason, despite any similarities they may have.

It wasn't clear from the orignal post whether there were technical reasons that prevented you from choosing _underwear over _underpants?

Because bras are underwear too. Lumping all lower body undergarments, whether male, female, panty, or boxer, under one umbrella is bad enough, adding bras and corsets too is just ensuring these tags cease all usefulness.

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Nacha

Nameless_Contributor said:

But color tags aren't supposed to be a shorthand for a type of a type of garment plus a color of a type of garment, that's just bypassing the tag search limit and nothing more. If one wants white_underpants panties why should they not have to use two tags just like someone looking for white_legwear thighhighs?

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Pantys are some kind of a fetish tag and it makes no sense to get rid of colored panty tags for several reasons. I don't think that someone wants to search for white_underpants when he wants to see some white panties. It's really and not always the best choice to just lump everything together, especially for something like pantys.

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Nameless Contributor

Guaro1238 said:

forum #167891
Kinda related

Pantys are some kind of a fetish tag and it makes no sense to get rid of colored panty tags for several reasons. I don't think that someone wants to search for white_underpants when he wants to see some white panties. It's really and not always the best choice to just lump everything together, especially for something like pantys.

I somewhat agree but then the legwear tags should really be split too. I would argue that the difference between socks and pantyhose is bigger than between panties and boxer briefs, socks often wouldn't even qualify as legwear covering only the foot.

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yyflandre

Nameless_Contributor said:

...socks often wouldn't even qualify as legwear covering only the foot.

There are kneehigh, over-kneehigh, and thighhigh socks. Those are socks covering a good portion of the leg.
While there are many occurrences of socks that don't extend past the ankles, they seem to be the minority of cases, and the ankle is still technically part of the leg, so imo socks are still legwear.
Then there are those really short socks covering only the foot. I would say they are footwear, as they don't go past the anklebone. But those are relatively rare.

I submitted the first sentence after misreading your quoted post, so I had to elaborate further so my opinion makes sense. Sorry.

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Tenshikuro

While on the subject of panties I think the no_panties tag is often misused. To me it should only be used in case where panties would be expected but are absent. Images of intercourse, bathing, and any other situation where one would expect no panties the no_panties tag should not be used.

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Nacha

Tenshikuro said:

While on the subject of panties I think the no_panties tag is often misused. To me it should only be used in case where panties would be expected but are absent. Images of intercourse, bathing, and any other situation where one would expect no panties the no_panties tag should not be used.

No_panties Wiki:

When a character isn't wearing panties (or equivalent underwear), but is wearing a skirt, dress, or some type of other bottomwear.

Yes, in situations of sex or bathing, no_panties shouldn't be used. If you see images where it doesn't belong, you're free to remove the tag.

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