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Mysterious_Uploader said:
I feel like a naked_pasties tag could be made? But i'd like to hear others' opinion on it first.
How is that different from a nude pasties search, excluding false positives?
Making a naked_* tag for everything under the sun isn't a solution, it just makes it worse.
Unbreakable said:
How is that different from a nude pasties search, excluding false positives?
Technically speaking, nude and pasties should be mutually exclusive. From the wiki:
If a character is wearing items that don't cover their chest or crotch - such as gloves, detached sleeves, thighhighs, hats, shoulder pads, necklaces, neckties, collars, belts, garter belts, and so on - they're still considered nude.
If a character is wearing an item that does cover their chest - such as a naked apron, naked shirt, naked towel, or so on - they're not considered nude. Use the appropriate naked_* tag instead.
Since pasties do cover crotch/nipples, they shouldn't be tagged as nude, unless the wiki gets rewritten to include them.
Making a naked_* tag for everything under the sun isn't a solution, it just makes it worse.
I do agree on that statement, although I don't know how to cover such cases otherwise.
BUR #3384 has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
create implication completely_nude -> nude
Seems the obvious thing to do.
EDIT: The bulk update request #3384 (forum #172226) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
Updated by DanbooruBot
The bulk update request #3384 (forum #172226) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
I pretty much agree with Sankaku's definition, as previously mentioned:
A complete lack of any and all clothing or coverings. Stricter than nude, this includes the lack of socks, shoes, arm-coverings, torn clothes, and clothes that are removed to the point that they're non-functional. All parts of the person's body are thus expected to be visible. Minor accessories such as jewelry and hair-bands are allowed under this tag however.
That is, completely nude means no clothing. Things like thighhighs and elbow gloves count as clothing, but minor accessories like hair ornaments, glasses, and jewelry don't count as clothing because they don't cover up any part of the body.
This also pretty much matches Pixiv's version of the completely nude tag, 全裸. This is important because the Pixiv tag has 85k posts and will be a translated tag for completely nude, so going against it would make tagging that much harder.
Otherwise if you say the character must literally be as naked as the day they were born, you run into problems with extremely minor accessories counting against the tag. For example:
I guarantee you that many people would tag completely nude on the things above without even noticing that the character technically isn't completely nude.
I'm not a fan of the naked accessories idea either. It just shifts the question from "is it nude or completely nude when the character is wearing earrings?" to "is it nude or completely nude or naked accessories?". Now you've got three tags with complicated definitions you have to read and fully understand to tag correctly. And now you've got two separate tags to search, completely nude and naked accessories, when you just want to find characters not wearing clothing and you don't care about minor accessories.
Mysterious_Uploader said:
Technically speaking, nude and pasties should be mutually exclusive. From the wiki:
Since pasties do cover crotch/nipples, they shouldn't be tagged as nude, unless the wiki gets rewritten to include them.
Pasties (and maebari) shouldn't count against nude because they're more like accessories than actual clothing. A character wearing only maebari and pasties is still nude because they're not wearing any clothing. See also the topless tag, where pasties don't count against a character being topless (pasties topless).
I completely agree with your statement, although of your examples i believe only the wedding ring would count against the tag in the current ruleset.
evazion said:
And now you've got two separate tags to search, completely nude and naked accessories, when you just want to find characters not wearing clothing and you don't care about minor accessories.
It could also work the other way around, with people trying to find naked characters wearing minor accessories. But the pixiv wiki allows them, so i'd say it's better to follow that description.
BUR #3395 has been approved by @evazion.
create alias completely_naked -> completely_nude
pixiv's own translation of the tag -> danbooru tag
EDIT: The bulk update request #3395 (forum #172328) has been approved by @evazion.
Updated by DanbooruBot
The bulk update request #3395 (forum #172328) has been approved by @evazion.
So what did we decide for chokers? Because posts like post #2633801 or post #2660945 have had the tag removed because of their presence.
We got into a discussion on the Discord server on this.
Should small accessories like rings and pendant count? I thought yes and have been removing the tag from such posts but now the wiki say they do not count.
Also how much of the body should be shown for it to count? Should post #1345404 count? My gut reaction was no but I can certainly se the other side of the argument.
Edit: Pixiv uses 全裸 for zenra. This directly translate to completely naked but is often used for a mix between casual nudity and public nudity. Even if its only topless.
nonamethanks said:
So what did we decide for chokers? Because posts like post #2633801 or post #2660945 have had the tag removed because of their presence.
I say they count as completely nude, they're not clothing and don't cover anything.
ion288 said:
Should small accessories like rings and pendant count? I thought yes and have been removing the tag from such posts but now the wiki say they do not count.
The wiki always said accessories don't count, that was decided when the tag was created
blindVigil said:
I say they count as completely nude, they're not clothing and don't cover anything.
The wiki always said accessories don't count, that was decided when the tag was created
If you check the history it said "If the character is wearing small accessories such as wristbands, anklets, ribbons on their tail... tag as naked accessories." untill yesterday. This may still be that wasnt what was originaly decided though.
And chokers do cover the neck...
For what it's worth, I'd also agree that if we're going to have a completely nude tag then it should exclude images where the character is wearing chokers, wristbands, anklets etc.
The other question is... how much of the body should be visible to warrant tagging this? Should it be used on images where nothing more is visible than would be guaranteed by the nude tag anyway? Or are we requiring more to be visible and if so then what?
edit: and another question - what about stationary restraints? Should post #2321167 (obviously NSFW) count?
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