Send appealed posts back to the mod queue

issue #4568

Currently appeals are rarely used. There's many reasons for this, including lack of accessibility for the appeal queue, the fact that you can only appeal once a day, and the fact that forums are easier to use. Also, appeals are not as effective as flags: they are passive rather than active. A flag requires someone to save a post, while an appeal will just go ignored if nobody is checking their page.

Sending them back to the queue would be a bit more effective as it would expose the posts again to the eyes of approvers.

I'm not sure about this recently added issue, so I'm bringing it here to the forums for debate. I'd be interested to hear more from approvers on this, as it will affect them more.

For myself at least, it doesn't feel like posts that are appealed have as much legitimacy for the moderation queue as posts that are newly uploaded or posts that were active at some point and then flagged. Maybe a more accessible secondary queue for appealed posts, increase the visible duration to something like a week, and have some way to view and approve these posts both from the new secondary queue and also the post index. The new secondary queue could also have the same kind of display as the primary queue, but also list all of the flags and appeals along with each post, at least those within a certain time frame perhaps.

Anyways, those are my thoughts, what do others think about the proposed issue?

I opened the issue after a discussion with evazion in the discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/310432830138089472/310432830138089472/738510892924272662

Appeals right now are pretty much useless. Revamping them would do a lot towards making sure good posts aren't lost forever, as right now only a few approvers ever check them.

Frankly speaking, there's no way any of us is checking a secondary queue if a lot of approvers already never check the modqueue in the first point. There's like 15 approvers who disapprove more than a couple hundred posts, which means the rest is probably just browsing normally and approving from searches.

Note that revamping the appeal system means closing the deletion appeal thread and raising the limit of appeals per day, effectively combining the two systems of appealing posts into one and making them more effective. Plenty of people use that thread, there's several dozens posts appealed every week in fact.

Also, post undeletes are not rare: https://danbooru.donmai.us/mod_actions?commit=Search&search%5Bcategory%5D=43. A lot of those come from the deletion appeal thread.

I like the idea of lumping appeals into the pending and flagged posts. Usually I moderate from status:unmoderated (plus or minus tags) because unlike the mod queue page I can use A and D to move between posts easily. I rarely check the appeal thread because there's no way to filter it. So when I have checked it, most of the still-deleted posts are things I either specifically disapproved of when they were in the queue, or really gross porn. The appeals page, I kind of forgot existed

Part of this has been done. See forum #171074 for details. The other half of this will entail:

• Locking the deletion appeal thread.
• Making it so that appeals are automatically crossposted to the deletion appeal thread by DanbooruBot instead of by users.
• Making appeal reasons optional. Reasons weren't required in the deletion appeal thread, so they shouldn't be required for modqueue appeals.

There will be a formal notice and a grace period for people to get used to the new system before the deletion appeal thread is locked, but this is the plan.

I have a question, in my case I have appealed some posts and their status appear as either rejected or succeeded. If the status appears as rejected, does that means rejected by the first deletion (and it's waiting for a new review), or that it was reviewd again and definitely rejected?

mongirlfan said:

I have a question, in my case I have appealed some posts and their status appear as either rejected or succeeded. If the status appears as rejected, does that means rejected by the first deletion (and it's waiting for a new review), or that it was reviewd again and definitely rejected?

Rejected just means that it's already passed the 3-day window (only in effect now) after the appeal was created but the post still remains deleted. Succeeded means that the post has been approved in the meantime.

Though since statuses weren't assigned to appeals until recently, the window of time previously was infinite, so as long as the post was ever approved at some point after the appeal was created it was counted as succeeded. Not anymore though, as appeals starting from around 4 days ago going forward will expire after 3 days and be counted as rejected.

I have two questions about already existing appeals.
First is, if you can appeal images, that you already appealed like months or weeks ago again, but were never approved?
Second: Are old appeals going to be deleted or are they still visible on any image like it´s the same with flags on deleted ones after the new system is completed?

Guaro1238 said:

I have two questions about already existing appeals.
First is, if you can appeal images, that you already appealed like months or weeks ago again, but were never approved?

No. There is a uniqueness constraint on post appeals that a post can only be appealed by a user at most once.

Second: Are old appeals going to be deleted or are they still visible on any image like it´s the same with flags on deleted ones after the new system is completed?

They will still be visible.

BrokenEagle98 said:

Rejected just means that it's already passed the 3-day window (only in effect now) after the appeal was created but the post still remains deleted. Succeeded means that the post has been approved in the meantime.

Though since statuses weren't assigned to appeals until recently, the window of time previously was infinite, so as long as the post was ever approved at some point after the appeal was created it was counted as succeeded. Not anymore though, as appeals starting from around 4 days ago going forward will expire after 3 days and be counted as rejected.

I have old appeals, but they are very likely to never been analyzed before the new appeal system (as said before in this forum, very few approvers checked these appeals), so they automatically count as rejected due to beind older than 3 days. Just wanted to know, will appeals made 3 days before the new appeal system be analyzed even if they are currently counting as rejected?

mongirlfan said:

I have old appeals, but they are very likely to never been analyzed before the new appeal system (as said before in this forum, very few approvers checked these appeals), so they automatically count as rejected due to beind older than 3 days. Just wanted to know, will appeals made 3 days before the new appeal system be analyzed even if they are currently counting as rejected?

Unfortunately that's not the case. Only way would be to purge all the old appeals to allow people to resubmit them, but I'm not sure that's something that is desired.

Bump.

I'm sure topic #8554 will be locked down thanks to the new appeal system, but what will happen to topic #7934?

Travley_ZeroFaithedHypocrite said:

Bump.

I'm sure topic #8554 will be locked down thanks to the new appeal system, but what will happen to topic #7934?

There's no reason for topic #7934 to be affected by this, is there? It's just a forum for feedback on why your uploads are being deleted, it has nothing to do with appeals.

about:deletion appeals
It seems to fit the die in the subject correctly to the current situation.
I did not immediately figure out the work of the bot. Because of this, there was a double request on the forum - as I understand it, the bot does not know how to check the latest comments to exclude duplicates. forum #171467

P.S. Maybe, need to change the design to notice that it was easier to read.
Feedback is welcome when there is no "duty" for the wiki controller to "silently" fix.

@evazion If possible, check the editing according to the changes made on the site. After blocking the old method, wiki will need to update this section with the blocking or remove it. I think that the deletion will be better, and the opportunity to discuss can be left in howto:appeal, so that there are not several wikis about the same thing.