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Short Hair and Boys

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mortalkombachan

Gendered hair tags are still unnecessary in my opinion. If the problem is the difficulty of looking for short haired girls, even when you search the short hair tag alone, you will likely to find mostly female focus posts, or alternatively search for short_hair -male_focus. There's also the problem with 1other/ambiguous gender, you wouldn't be able to tag the post properly with short-haired_girl/short-haired_boy tags, and short-haired_other would sound strange.

.Dank said:

After reading a few replies here are my thoughts:

  • Hair is hair. Instead of creating gendered characters tags that are absolutely unintuitive, Making it less likely to be tagged correctly.
  • We should standardize hair lengths for both men and women. Very short hair on men looks the same on women than in men. The same with long hair in men and women. eg: sephiroth
  • Saying that short hair in women and short hair is men is different is just nonsensical.

Fully agree.

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Nacha

mongirlfan said:

There's also the problem with 1other/ambiguous gender, you wouldn't be able to tag the post properly with short-haired_girl/short-haired_boy tags, and short-haired_other would sound strange.

IMO, I agree that´s not exactly necessary, but:
The suggestion is to only create one specific genderes short_hair_* version. 1other and ambigous gender doesn´t fall under the short_hair wiki rules, only boys. The reason why I suggested that is, what Slime and Renim said: the ability to search for short haired girls. Even if I don´t exactly agree with the opinion, that girls aren´t searchable if we tag the hair lenght of boys correctly, I rather have this solution than the status quo.
Even if those tags aren´t well tagged and maybe missed sometimes, as .Dank said, it´s better to have them and be able to garden it if needed.

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evazion

My stance is this:

  • Short hair should be gender neutral.
  • I don't think we should have short-haired male or short-haired female tags. I don't think something as common as hair length deserves to be gendered.
  • We should be very conservative about when we gender tags.
  • When we do gender tags, we should normally keep the male and female versions separate.

I'm not convinced by the "if we tag short hair on guys then I won't be able to find short-haired girls" argument. Literally 25% of the site is short-haired girls. You can't tell me something is too hard to find when it makes up a quarter of the site.

If anything, I think short hair is already flooded. Hair length tagging is highly variable, and short hair is already filled with things I wouldn't call short hair (not to say they're wrongly tagged, but they're not what I'm hoping to find if I'm looking for short-haired girls).

I don't like the idea of a short-haired male tag because hair length is an extremely common thing and allowing it to be gendered it opens the floodgates for everything else to be gendered. If you think color tags are bad, just wait until we get *_(male) and *_(female) versions of everything. This is exactly what happened with color tags. Taggers saw that we had color tags for some things, so they took it as a license to make color tags for literally everything, and by the time we started trying to crack down on it, it was too late.

On the last point, when we do have male and female versions of a tag, I think it's usually best to keep them completely separate. I think it was a mistake to do things like make male pubic hair a subset of pubic hair, or dark skinned male a subset of dark skin. This often creates more problems than it solves. It's like saying that yaoi and yuri are the same thing and should be under the same umbrella tag. Technically that might be true, but nobody actually wants that.

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Nacha

90sAnimeFan said:

So, just making sure, is the consensus now that it's okay to tag male characters with short hair?

The wiki page was edited and boys should now be tagged with the hair length.

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