What's the difference between these tags?
spiked collar - spiked choker
studded collar - studded choker
A glance at the tagged posts seem to show the same concept. Should they be aliased together?
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What's the difference between these tags?
spiked collar - spiked choker
studded collar - studded choker
A glance at the tagged posts seem to show the same concept. Should they be aliased together?
There's also the matter of heart collar vs heart choker, o-ring choker vs o-ring collar and a couple of others.
blindVigil said:
A collar is loose, a choker is snug, but danbooru seems to use the terms interchangeably and from what I've seen most things tagged as collars are actually chokers. Alias might be best, keeping collars as the main tag to avoid confusion.
The wikis unfortunately don't draw enough distinction between chokers and collars, even between the base choker and collar tags. While I'm aware of the difference you're mentioning, I'm not sure there is a wider general understanding of this difference for tagging. I have no issues with keeping this distinction, but we do need to make it much clearer that this is the line we're using between the two if we're to maintain it.
nonamethanks said:
There's also the matter of heart collar vs heart choker, o-ring choker vs o-ring collar and a couple of others.
In general this is supposed to be the primary distinction between choker and collar, as mentioned by blindVigil.
heart collar: post #3418070 (note space between the band and the neck)
heart choker: post #4003055 (note the band is tight with no real gap around the neck)
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The problem with tightness being used as classification is things like post #3976475. There's no space between the band and neck, making it a choker, but by appearance I'm sure many people would say it's a collar. There are a lot of examples like that.
Looking through the tags, I see four options to clean things up:
1.) Classify collars and chokers by the existence or absence of space between the band and neck, as with NWF Renim's examples. This is the proper real world distinction. A possible problem with this is that, from what I can tell, the majority of examples on Danbooru are of the snug variety, regardless of the actual design of collar/choker. post #3976475 again as an example would be a choker by this definition.
2.) Classify collars and chokers by their appearance, ignoring whether or not it's snug around the neck. The most obvious way to go about this is whether or not there is a visible buckle, as that's a very common feature of collars, while chokers often snap into place with buttons or other less visible methods. post #3976475 is a collar under this definition, things like post #4031121 are obviously chokers. This goes against the real world distinction, but might avoid any confusion regarding tagging something that looks like a dog "collar" as a choker.
3.) Treat chokers as a type of collar(which they are), implying choker to collar. Some users are already using both tags for chokers. We would still need to decide what is and is not a choker, however.
4.) Make things real simple and just alias all types of choker to their respective collar. Chokers are a type of collar, so this isn't unreasonable of a choice, but it would reduce search variety somewhat.
blindVigil said:
2.) Classify collars and chokers by their appearance, ignoring whether or not it's snug around the neck. The most obvious way to go about this is whether or not there is a visible buckle, as that's a very common feature of collars, while chokers often snap into place with buttons or other less visible methods. post #3976475 is a collar under this definition, things like post #4031121 are obviously chokers. This goes against the real world distinction, but might avoid any confusion regarding tagging something that looks like a dog "collar" as a choker.
3.) Treat chokers as a type of collar(which they are), implying choker to collar. Some users are already using both tags for chokers. We would still need to decide what is and is not a choker, however.
4.) Make things real simple and just alias all types of choker to their respective collar. Chokers are a type of collar, so this isn't unreasonable of a choice, but it would reduce search variety somewhat.
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