Is the kamiyama_high_school_uniform really a unique enough uniform to warrant a tag? It just looks like a generic serafuku to me except for a single breast pocket and button which, more often than not, don't even get drawn.
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Is the kamiyama_high_school_uniform really a unique enough uniform to warrant a tag? It just looks like a generic serafuku to me except for a single breast pocket and button which, more often than not, don't even get drawn.
Gonna be honest, that's why imo most *_school_uniform tags are useless. Only extreme fans of each series are going to use them, and <character_name> + serafuku already completely overlaps with any of those tags (and alternate costume exists for when it's not the exact costume they always wear).
nonamethanks said:
Only extreme fans of each series are going to use them, and <character_name> + serafuku already completely overlaps with any of those tags (and alternate costume exists for when it's not the exact costume they always wear).
But not all of them are serafukus.
nonamethanks said:
<character_name> + school_uniform, then. The vast majority of them are serafuku however, and the only way to tell them apart is the collar's color (for which we already have tags).
That's better, I don't see a reason in most of them except the more unique ones like nanamori school uniform for example.
I don't see why this is any worse than Kita High School Uniform or Ooarai School Uniform or Tokiwadai School Uniform.
Sure the uniforms in Hyouka are a bit more generic, but I don't see that as a reason not to group them (any more than the others). It specifies that specific costume (along with the colors, and designs/patterns etc we might not tag). Normally you could search <series> school uniform or <character> school uniform, but that wouldn't work as well with series with multiple schools if you're seeking to group the sets of multiple characters in a series (e.g. To Aru Kagaku no Railgun comes to mind). If we find some utility in some of them in a class and decide to keep them, I don't see a compelling reason to pick some out for deletion but not others. It really only adds one tag to a post too, so I'm not sure you could argue that you're saving much by means of clutter (if that's the goal).
Tags like this seem mildly useful to me in cases where characters are dressed in uniforms from different copyrights without recognizably cosplaying a specific character from said copyright, e.g. post #3782563.
That said, generally posts like these are just tagged with the name of the copyright is from as well, so they're admittedly redundant except when a copyright features multiple uniforms like Index.
The biggest problem I see with these tags is that they will always require constant tag gardening by dedicated fans of these series. If they aren't kept well-maintained, they won't be as useful for their intended function as simply searching for school_uniform + the character tag.
You can't expect uploaders and taggers to consistently use these tags, because they require series-specific knowledge that goes far beyond being able to identify copyrights and characters, and most of these tags have useless wikis that don't even describe what they look like.
I don't think the existence of these tags is causing any real harm. I just wouldn't rely on them too much.
I have no issues with these uniform tags so long as they have visual identifiers such as unique patterns and emblems from the basic serafuku tag. Though I do question the specific tag brought up by the OP. Only in cases like post #3753192 where the chest pocket and pin are visible are they actually distinguishable from a base generic serafuku. Most of the posts are like post #1973660 which are indistinguishable from something like post #2320943.
NWF_Renim said:
I have no issues with these uniform tags so long as they have visual identifiers such as unique patterns and emblems from the basic serafuku tag. Though I do question the specific tag brought up by the OP. Only in cases like post #3753192 where the chest pocket and pin are visible are they actually distinguishable from a base generic serafuku. Most of the posts are like post #1973660 which are indistinguishable from something like post #2320943.
You raise a good point, and it again points to the need for wiki pages that describe these uniforms in detail rather than just "uniform worn by the characters in <series>" stubs. Without concrete definitions that tell us when and when not to use these tags, you're bound to see users adding them to posts automatically and based on canonicity.
NWF_Renim said:
Only in cases like post #3753192 where the chest pocket and pin are visible are they actually distinguishable from a base generic serafuku. Most of the posts are like post #1973660 which are indistinguishable from something like post #2320943.
This is a fair point, though you could argue that at least it limits the tagged uniform to certain colors and such at the very least. I'll admit though Hyouka happened to pick just about the most generic features across the board. At least they didn't also go with the even more generic red neckerchief.
I think that most tags have varying levels of completeness to question the usefulness of any besides the character, copyright, and artist tags. To be frank, many tags get tagged only because the artist tells us what they are, such as with characters, and especially male characters. Other times items get tagged merely because they're in the presence of another tag.
Thus I'm fine myself with school uniform tags being tagged when they're merely in the presence of another character. They do no harm in my opinion, plus they can also add further clarification or insight into the image or other tags on the image.
I want to double down on this by adding that I don't think it's an "elite" or "deep knowledge" thing, you can probably look at the tag and be acquainted with it rather quickly. Also a lot of basic plot summaries for these series can give out the name of the high school in there so it's not special/hardcore knowledge.
The problem with all this though is indeed the lack of clarification and information on the wiki. I mean Tokiwadai School Uniform literally only has a link in its wiki and that's it, that's a big problem for uniforms that aren't as unique or easy to recognise as the Homurahara Academy uniform, which is also a good example of a good page for this kind of posts in my opinion. People are either lazy or inmediately assume that some uniforms are instantly distinguishable without basic explaining.
Might I offer up the GuP uniform wikis, which I think are a pretty good example of how a uniform wiki should go. I just recently updated them to the latest standard I've been using.
I've optimized all of them so that when using the related tags function in the edit menu, it pulls in all of the tags as seen on all non-variant portrayals. Then in the GuP character wikis, I only have to list the uniform names and any variants to those uniforms.
Example: Nishi Kinuyo