"Nude filters" - why are they allowed?

Meh. Not like I really care about what happens to them, but this is over the top.

If you really want to make Danbooru porn-free then make Danbooru porn-free, don't just use that as an excuse to purge a single tag that makes up not even 1% of the explicit posts and under 0.2% of Danbooru as a whole.

It's true that there are a lot of crappy nude shops, but there are well done ones too. The same goes for pretty much any other porn-related tag. I just don't see the need for a crusade against all the nude shops here. We allow hard translations so it's not like Danbooru's policies prohibit derivative works in general, especially if the original is already posted.

A large number of the posts in question were posted by regular members. That means a mod/janitor explicitly approved them. Maybe all it takes is to make the janitors (and mods) aware that they should exercise stricter quality control on nude filter posts.

Outlawing the tag as whole, putting it on the same level as furry, yaoi and guro, is really not warranted.

I, on the other hand, think it is.

I don't agree with a wholesale ban on or nuking of nude filters. It's overkill. If someone personally doesn't like nude filters, they can blacklist them. If it's about the overall quality of the site, then I think piespy's suggestion is far more appropriate and moderate: simply make everyone aware that the bar needs to be set higher for nude filter posts. If something gets by that is truly bad, delete just that post.

Please don't evoke the strawman argument of "you can always blacklist <particular kind of crap>". This way we could do away with moderation altogether and just tell everyone to blacklist things they don't like. We have agreed that:

1. Danbooru is not a porn site, it's a site for high-quality art which happens also to allow explicit artwork. In addition there is a pretty strong emphasis on having the work original.
2. Nude filters are not original, rarely of high quality, and in direct opposition to the "non-porn" goal, since they have no purpose besides making porn from something that isn't porn.

Given that 1. and 2. are in direct conflict, and 1. is one of the principles about what danbooru is and isn't, "just blacklist them" is not a proper answer. Nude filters directly lower the average quality of posts and contribute to more poor uploads by strengthening the impression that danbooru is for porn.

It basically boils down to whoever is uploading bad art or whoever is approving them. I would agree that many of the nude_filter posts are bad, and I hope most of the janitors/mods agree. Perhaps advocates can point to some examples of good ones.

piespy said: If you really want to make Danbooru porn-free then make Danbooru porn-free

I don't know if this is an attempt at a strawman or just plain misunderstanding but nobody has advocated removing all explicit material from Danbooru. Saying that Danbooru is not "a porn site" is not the same as saying it has no porn. This has nothing to do with that.

don't just use that as an excuse to purge a single tag that makes up not even 1% of the explicit posts and under 0.2% of Danbooru as a whole.

I'm getting really tired of this argument. It's used for damn near every discussion when almost any remotely specific tag takes up "only" a tiny fraction of the database. I don't think this is a relevant point at all.

Outlawing the tag as whole, putting it on the same level as furry, yaoi and guro, is really not warranted.

And I completely disagree here.

Algasir said: On a related note: stuff like post #357855 shouldn't be allowed either. Actually, I don't think they are, since I saw a lot of them get unapproved, but this one got approved for some reason.

Unfortunately, there was a user who was spamming the queue with peed-pants shops for awhile. Don't ask me why. But let's stay focused on nude filters for now.

Well, surprise surprise, look what just showed up

post #421028
post #421026

Though I'll admit, the Hinagiku one is easily one of the best I've ever seen. Also the original source is fantastic, it'd be nice to have the originals in that quality.

On another look, these are rather more extensive than a standard nude filter...interesting.

They're vectors, the originals aren't that sharp.

Fencedude said:
Well, surprise surprise, look what just showed up

post #421028
post #421026

Though I'll admit, the Hinagiku one is easily one of the best I've ever seen.

And it's still hideous crap. If that's the best nude filters have to offer, I'm in favor of deleting them.

well it may be crap, but my take is this in this entire matter, I say those 2 pics is at least better looking then 50% of the pics of the site, if the site really did have only "good quality pictures" it will end up just by a few peoples standards in the end, and everyone does not have the same taste.

MugiMugi said:
well it may be crap, but my take is this in this entire matter, I say those 2 pics is at least better looking then 50% of the pics of the site, if the site really did have only "good quality pictures" it will end up just by a few peoples standards in the end, and everyone does not have the same taste.

The whole point is that nude filters are photoshops of the originals, and are therefore not really made by an "artist."

Fencedude said:
Well, surprise surprise, look what just showed up

post #421028
post #421026

Though I'll admit, the Hinagiku one is easily one of the best I've ever seen. Also the original source is fantastic, it'd be nice to have the originals in that quality.

On another look, these are rather more extensive than a standard nude filter...interesting.

I like it. I don't feel strongly about protecting them though.

So what's the next tag to purge?

Nude filters are for horny pre-teens. I'd be glad to see most, if not all of them go.

post #421028 and post #421026 just make me all the more for the purge. They look terrible.

Anyone out there still want to come defend them? Better do it now, it looks like the moment of reckoning is approaching.

Well...I got to say that I'm not a fan of nude filters or shoped images (specially the ones that involve T2's Artwork, that's more like a sacrilege). However I'm not totally against it, there are few that look good.

Fencedude said:
Also the original source is fantastic, it'd be nice to have the originals in that quality.

That quality is more from a vector trace than from photoshop and here is were I make my point:

Maybe we can get rid of... lets say 80%, 90% of photoshoped images to keep those that look good and apply a policy similar to the one we have for caps, and maybe extend that to a new tag vector_request, for those who want those original pics in better quality.

You guys really pick the worst posts to demand a purge with.

post #413315

I'm not against a purge, since almost all real nudefilters are utter garbage. Beforehand though (or during) we should make sure that what's being deleted truly is a nudefilter. I just fixed some that were tagged nudefilter, but were obviously drawn by the original artist, and as such not a photoshop or a nudefilter per se.

For what it's worth, I'm in favour of a purge, not so much because these are alterations of another artist's work, but because they are alterations that actually defy the original artist's intentions (as opposed to uncensoring).

And yeah, those two Hayate shops are atrocious.

I've never been a fan of nudefilters or vectors, seeing both at once makes my eyes hurt. At the very least nudefilters should go, I know vectors is another story but there's been nothing but good points as to why those horrible shops should be gone.