Replacing "Bowsette" with less erroneous nomenclature

Unbreakable said:

So you mean the fact that he's looking exactly like a male version of Bowsette is purely coincidental? It's not, therefore it's a genderswap of Bowsette instead of a simple personification.

Are you implying that there is magic that can't simply change a characters form to look like another character? A fusion is only if two characters get fused... Not if another character take on the appearance of the other one. And it is still a genderswap regardless since it is still Bowser.

Unbreakable said:

If the crown just made Toadette resemble Princess Peach she wouldn't be the size of Peach.

What kind of broken logic is that? She is a toad. She gets transformed into a human. It is only natural that she would get taller. That said, official art still make her look smaller than Peach, so I have no idea where you are getting these things from.

Setsunator said:

Are you implying that there is magic that can't simply change a characters form to look like another character? A fusion is only if two characters get fused... Not if another character take on the appearance of the other one. And it is still a genderswap regardless since it is still Bowser.

The genderswap tag is redundant since the Bowsette tag implies that it's a female to start with.

Setsunator said:

What kind of broken logic is that? She is a toad. She gets transformed into a human. It is only natural that she would get taller. That said, official art still make her look smaller than Peach, so I have no idea where you are getting these things from.

Uhm, you said the crown made her resemble Peach, not transform into a human.

Anyway, someone else is free to continue this discussion with you since I have better things to do.

Unbreakable said:

The genderswap tag is redundant since the Bowsette tag implies that it's a female to start with.

...now you are just grasping for straws and shifting the goalposts. If we go by what you said then the genderswap tag would also be removed from such characters as say Naruko and Ranma-chan. Why would you remove an important denominator simply because the character is also named?

Unbreakable said:

Uhm, you said the crown made her resemble Peach, not transform into a human.

And Peach isn't a "human"? When Bowser changes gender he becomes something closer to a human. The reason he still retains his horns and tail (and in most art his shell) seems to have to do more with character design. Don't forget that even if Bowser against all odds would be able to cannonically ingame use the crown, the Bowsette see now is just based on the fan base speculating. Even so, this speculation is based what has been shown about the crown itself. General consensus among the fans seem to be that the crown turns everyone female and into princesses that retain some minor similarities with Peach. Look at King Boo and the other characters and you will note that they don't really resemble her at all. Only one other than Bowser that do, would be his son and not in all depictions.

And finally, Peach has appeared alongside Bowser in such drawings so she isn't fused with him.

Anyway, someone else is free to continue this discussion with you since I have better things to do.

Is there anything else to discuss?

Which reminds me.

Why was the tag Bowsette chosen when PIXIV uses Princess Koopa?

Setsunator said:

Why was the tag Bowsette chosen when PIXIV uses Princess Koopa?

This is a fan character, so there is no official name for it - therefore, we went with the most popular English name.

Why was the tag Bowsette chosen when PIXIV uses Princess Koopa?

Because the pixiv tag was not enstablished yet when this meme started, and the meme started in the western fandom.

AngryZapdos said:

This is a fan character, so there is no official name for it - therefore, we went with the most popular English name.

which literally nobody uses on PIXIV. Most Bowsette art is posted on PIXIV by Japanese people. The tag the majority uses is princess Koopa.

nonamethanks said:

Because the pixiv tag was not enstablished yet when this meme started, and the meme started in the western fandom.

Really? Could have sworn it was a Chinese guy that made the first art. But fair enough, say it was co-opted then. It is still the tag most used and it is easier to remember than Bowsette. All the other crown swapped characters (aside from Toadette) are referred to as princess. So in order to stay consistent either all those names get bastardized, or Bowsette changed. I would put my vote on the latter.

Yeah good luck changing a name with 21k searches in the last day alone to something that's not even in the missed searches.

The purpose of tags is to search for things. Being pedantic helps no one.

We don't even follow pixiv's tagging most of the time, so that point's moot.

Also the original artist's not chinese but malaysian. He certainly counts as being in the western fandom judging by his twitter and the fact that he's a drawfag.

nonamethanks said:

Yeah good luck changing a name with 21k searches in the last day alone to something that's not even in the missed searches

What are you talking about? Just do an alias, this way even if they search for Bowsette they would simply be redirected to princess Koopa.

The purpose of tags is to search for things. Being pedantic helps no one.

We don't even follow pixiv's tagging most of the time, so that point's moot.

The purpose of tags is to categorize things so that you can find them during a search, so you missed one of the important bits. It's the same as when taking Japanese names of shows into account. Danbooru policy is to use the Japanese names of things. Likewise there is also the whole case of spelling vs phonetic spelling where in say "Ryu" becomes "Ryuu" even though the former is the official spelling. So saying that tags are just there for searches is simply not true.

Also the original artist's not chinese but malaysian. He certainly counts as being in the western fandom judging by his twitter and the fact that he's a drawfag.

So Malaysians are Westerners now? And here I thought that they were Asians.

Your argument is a strange one. Are you saying that if a Japanese artist sometimes contributed to some western draw threads that this would make him a part of western fandom and simply not a westboo?

Danbooru policy is to use the Japanese names if things

It's not a policy, it's a suggestion. See: spice and wolf, godzilla, neon genesis evangelion and a thousand more. Using the japanese name of something the majority of the users of the site know by another name is destructive and pointless.

These arguments are getting circular now so I'll let someone else keep arguing.

Also

nonamethanks said:
He certainly counts as being in the western fandom judging by his twitter and the fact that he's a drawfag.

Setsunator said:

What are you talking about? Just do an alias, this way even if they search for Bowsette they would simply be redirected to princess Koopa.

Why should a popular spelling be aliased to a less popular spelling. As evidenced by the missed searches there is no need for an alias.

I'd say "Bowsette" should stay as a main name. We call the base character Bowser after all, without any aliases, so it's kind of consistent; besides, bowsette art is spreading like wildfire among western fandom under that name.

What to do with other character supercrown-renditions is an open question though. They certainly shouldn't get their own tag unless there's an established design of sorts.

Type-kun said:

I'd say "Bowsette" should stay as a main name. We call the base character Bowser after all, without any aliases, so it's kind of consistent; besides, bowsette art is spreading like wildfire among western fandom under that name.

What to do with other character supercrown-renditions is an open question though. They certainly shouldn't get their own tag unless there's an established design of sorts.

The only one that has it is Princess King Boo, characters like Princess Chain Chomp has no real consistent design.

nonamethanks said:

It's not a policy, it's a suggestion. See: spice and wolf, godzilla, neon genesis evangelion and a thousand more. Using the japanese name of something the majority of the users of the site know by another name is destructive and pointless.

No it really is, or was site policy. The fact that it isn't enforced has more to do with choices not to implement the policy was made from time to time. That is why as you said at times we see the Japanese tag being used instead of really popular western names, but at other times it isn't. The inconsistency was what caused discussions such as these to begin with.

These arguments are getting circular now so I'll let someone else keep arguing now.

Then don't make circular arguments. I have already debunked the arguments so there really isn't any more to it

Kuvaq said:

Why should a popular spelling be aliased to a less popular spelling. As evidenced by the missed searches there is no need for an alias.

Because it isn't more popular. It was forced by the first people that started taking it here on Danbooru. Princess Koopa is the more popular term. Bowsette is just a bastardized name that a minority here on this site is trying to force.

Type-kun said:

I'd say "Bowsette" should stay as a main name. We call the base character Bowser after all.

So? By that logic all characters should be changed in a similar way, but they aren't.

Bowsette art is spreading like wildfire among western fandom under that name.

This is no wonder seeing as how they are just using the name that Danbooru uses. If Danbooru had used princess Koopa, that name would have spread in the West instead.

What to do with other character supercrown-renditions is an open question though. They certainly shouldn't get their own tag unless there's an established design of sorts.

In the case of princess king read, there certainly is. Although that design was actually used for genderswaped king read even before the creation of the Super Crown. As for the others, there aren't really enough illustrations of them to even make it consistent.

Keep Bowsette, alias all other names (Peachser, Koopa-hime, whatever) to it.

Setsunator said:

This is no wonder seeing as how they are just using the name that Danbooru uses. If Danbooru had used princess Koopa, that name would have spread in the West instead.

Counterexample: Booette is used more on Twitter and Reddit than Princess King Boo is.

Setsunator said:

This is no wonder seeing as how they are just using the name that Danbooru uses. If Danbooru had used princess Koopa, that name would have spread in the West instead.

Bowsette stuck thanks to its wildfire spread through twitter, danbooru has nowhere near the exposure level that twitter does. The name originated from either 4chan or twitter and by the time we started using it, it had already set itself as the go-to.

Ars said:

Bowsette stuck thanks to its wildfire spread through twitter, danbooru has nowhere near the exposure level that twitter does. The name originated from either 4chan or twitter and by the time we started using it, it had already set itself as the go-to.

The proof that we didn't come up with this name can even be seen at the Missed Searches which lists Bowsette as one, that means people were searching for the name on Danbooru before we made the tag.

Unbreakable said:

The proof that we didn't come up with this name can even be seen at the Missed Searches which lists Bowsette as one, that means people were searching for the name on Danbooru before we made the tag.

There's also this https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Bowsette/order/asc/

We're actually getting far more misses for alternate names of princess king boo. Should we pick a different alias for that? It doesn't make a lot of sense for her to be both "princess" and "king", even if that is the literal translation of the Japanese name.

Seems both "booette" and "boosette" are top missed searches. Not sure what the correct course of action is here. Unlike bowsette, this one came entirely from the japanese community, and our current tag as you said is the correct direct translation of her name, so it wouldn't really feel right to alias it to another term given that the western fandom terms are not as prevalent, unlike for bowsette.

The fact that it's two different terms in the top missed searches also shows that there's no real consensus on how she should be named in the west. I've added notes to the two top missed searches' wikis for now so that people searching for those will find the correct tag.